Please note that Vineeto’s correspondence below was written by the actually free Vineeto
(List D refers to Richard’s List D and his Respondent Numbers) Vineeto’s Correspondence with Damian on Discuss Actualism Forum October 8 2024 DAMIAN: I am in Melbourne Australia An interest in yoga led to Meditation with a group that was associated with Satyananda. I had a kundalini experience the first mediation. I didn’t know what it was at the time but that got me hooked 30 years later. My interest is mokshah / awakening / self realization I don’t know much about actual freedom so not able to answer the other questions. How is PCE’s different from being in a flow state? of is it the same? I read a few things but the website isn’t that easier to navigate and the text is really small. There are some particular words Richard used that I couldn’t find definitions on. CLAUDIU: In other words if what you want is these spiritual goals then you’ll save yourself a lot of time not pursuing actualism – not only will it not further your progress towards the spiritual goals but actually it will hinder it and turn you away from it. VINEETO: Hi Claudiu, Well said. * Hi Damian, Alternatively you can do what Claudiu, Shashank and others here have done, is recognize that an actual freedom from the whole of the human condition is vastly superior because it offers an existential solution to the human condition whilst Buddhism/Hinduism merely offer a salvation solution. Viz: [Richard to Shashank]: Thus I experientially know, from that ongoing lived reality, how what is nowadays called Buddhism (as well as what has come to be called Hinduism) is not an existential solution to the human condition, as is Actualism, but a salvational solution (that is, deliverance from being yoked – saṃyojana, fr. saṃyuñjati (saṃ+ yuñjati) where yuñjati = to yoke, literally means ‘yoked together’ – to sensory phenomena (aka ‘sabba’, SN 35.23; PTS: S iv 15) or, conversationally, from being yoked to/ fettered by worldly existence). (Richard, List D, No. 32, 23 December 2012). The whole exchange is well-worth reading and quite explanatory. Cheers Vineeto October 11 2024 DAMIAN: I would love to hear from people in Australia and particularly in Melbourne. I would like to connection and assistance with where I am currently am through dialogue rather than reading and studying. thanks for having me hear. Looking forward to learning more. * II have a desire to know who I am. Not searching for an experience of enjoyment, happiness and a harmless life. Seeking out the experiences of emotions would be a never ending task. And what I see most people day. For example if I eat something I like then I am happy. Hanging out at the pub delivers enjoyment. These 3 experiences are fleeting. * Indian philosophy isn’t about salvation from samsara in all instances. The Vedic knowledge acts a means to know your true nature. A person maybe or maybe not be motivated by escaping samsara. [...] Salvation is seen in Christianity, in that you need saving from descending into hell. VINEETO: Hi Damian, You started your introduction that you are “looking forward to learning more.” Yet only a few posts later, you confidently declare that you are “not searching for an experience of enjoyment, happiness and a harmless life” before you have even began to understand anything of what an actual freedom is all about and proceed to defend and justify “Indian philosophy”, “Vedic knowledge” and your past decade's or more of spiritual practice. In other words, you came to this forum because, as you say, you want to “connect” and have “assistance” but without “reading and studying”, and yet instantly start objecting to each reply without knowing anything at all about the subject matter at hand. Either you are not really looking to understand or you don’t know how to. Well, in either case, let me give you an example of a more sincere, genuine and in-depth reading of just the first four words on the Actual Freedom Trust homepage, instead of merely skimming over the words whilst consciously or unconsciously applying your own spiritual template to what you read and hence coming up with superficial and faulty conclusions – RESPONDENT: I discovered the actual freedom site a few days ago and find it compelling. It seems from my investigations so far to really actually and in fact offer something new. RICHARD: Just what is it, from your investigations so far, that is new? RESPONDENT: Good question. I suppose ... er... I don’t know. I really don’t. RICHARD: Okay ... here are the very first words on The Actual Freedom Trust home page (immediately below the ‘Actual Freedom’ logo): • ‘A New and Non-Spiritual Down-to-Earth Freedom’. From that very succinct heading (which is not placed in such a key position merely for decoration) three key aspects of the freedom referred to can be readily ascertained ... and without inference: 1. It is new. 2. It is non-spiritual. 3. It is down-to-earth. And not to forget, of course, from the logo itself: 4. It is actual. RESPONDENT: I mean, it seems like perhaps I can sort it out, sort out ‘the problem’, by doing/being/not being what you say? RICHARD: As there are many peoples other than myself saying all manner of things about doing/being/not being many different things just what is new about doing/being/not being what I have to say? RESPONDENT: I’ve got no idea, but I’ve tried a lot and nothing comes up with the goods – me not being unhappy and trapped and lonely and frustrated and all of that. RICHARD: Well now ... it was obviously high time that somebody came up with something new, then, and yet the question remains as to just what that something new is, eh? RESPONDENT: This site seems to be something different from other alternatives. RICHARD: Aye ... just for starters it is (a) non-spiritual ... and (b) down-to-earth ... and (c) actual. RESPONDENT: I don’t know yet. I just don’t. RICHARD: Okay ... this is what a dictionary has to say about the word ‘spiritual’: • ‘spiritual: of, pertaining to, or affecting the spirit ...’. ~` (Oxford Dictionary). The term ‘non-spiritual’, then, means not of, pertaining to, or affecting the spirit – thus the freedom being referred to is not the freedom spiritualism has to offer – and by way of practical example the following is what you wrote (in part) much further below: • [Respondent]: ‘Many spiritual teachers say in a similar (although, I don’t know, perhaps a subtly and vitally different) way to you that (...). Could it be that when they have used words that you reject, Self, God and so on, that sometimes they are referring to the same state as you?’ If (note ‘if’) the new and non-spiritual down-to-earth actual freedom was none other than the same freedom which spiritualism has to offer, only expressed in words which have not been rejected, then it would not be: 1. New. 2. Non-Spiritual. 3. Down-To-Earth (as in the Oxford Dictionary ‘plain-spoken, unpretentious; practical, realistic’ meaning). 4. Actual. Instead it would be: 1. Old. 2. Spiritual. 3. Cryptic/Pretentious/Impractical/Idealistic. 4. Delusory. (Richard, Actual Freedom List, No. 90, 14 June 2005). Now, with the explicit meaning of those four introductory words in mind you should be able to clearly decide if you are interested any further or if you want to keep plodding on with your spiritual pursuit, which has given you the unsatisfactory results that made you look up the Actual Freedom website in the first place. Otherwise there is no point discussing something entirely new to human history unless the person has an open mind, a deep sincerity and a genuine interest in finding out the actual meaning of life and thus can ask more informed questions than you have done so far. Cheers Vineeto
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