Please note that Vineeto’s correspondence below was written by the actually free Vineeto
(List D refers to Richard’s List D and his Respondent Numbers) Vineeto’s Correspondence with Andrew on Discuss Actualism Forum December 1 2025 ANDREW: Wow. What I am considering as I read these post that are well above my “pay grade” is just how much my naïveté was abused by the prevailing religion of my birth Situation… I remember how much detail I would go into as a teenager. I have mentioned before that by the time I was late teens, I had a working knowledge of both ancient Hebrew and koine Greek, so that I might understand the sacred texts I was brought up to revere. So there has always been an exhaustion in me. I am however very pleased to recognise this. VINEETO: Hi Andrew, While you contemplate “how much my naïveté was abused” it’s useful to remember that children’s naïveté is very closely linked to ignorance and gullibility, and this is precisely why it can and will be abused. In the now-adult mind most peoples initially have difficulty separating the one from another. Hence the sincere intent to imitate the actual (and not acting with impulsivity or licentiousness) is very important. The naïveté you want to allow now needs to be combined with felicitous and innocuous adult sensibilities (naïve but not gullible), only then can you enjoy and revel in it to the point of gay abandon. Richard: There is a marked distinction betwixt spontaneity and impetuosity (aka impulsiveness) ... acuity and/or perspicacity, in the applied form of discrimination, discernment (as in being expedient, provident, judicious, prudent) in conjunction with pragmatism, practicality, sensibility, simplicity, and so forth, gives ready access for any introspective/ creative process to take place. (Richard, Actual Freedom List, No. 103, 1 October 2005d) The key to unlock naiveté is sincerity, naiveté being “that intimate aspect of oneself that is usually kept hidden away for fear of seeming foolish (a simpleton) … it is like being a child again but with adult sensibilities (wherein one can separate out the distinction between being naïve and being gullible/ trusting).” (Richard, Actual Freedom List, No. 79, 7 June 2006). ANDREW: So, resurrecting a touch of that naïveté, I notice a recent development. It’s a calm approach to decision making. Where there is a warm type of “bored” calm. An almost concussed calm. As if I am totally conquered by whatever it is I was fighting against, and now there is a series of considerations. It’s enjoyable. There is no rush. Felt it many times recently. At the music store. VINEETO: That is excellent. You have already experienced that you don’t need to be at the ‘beck and call’ of your passions and feelings, you can keep your hands in your pockets until they subside and then consider again. You might discover and explore something similar to what Claudiu described in January this year – Claudiu: The other wondrous recent insight was in seeing how I am actually not ‘special’ in that I am essentially the same as any other feeling-being out there. In terms of what I am at my core. In other words I don’t have to maintain or hold onto or try to prop up any aspect of myself that would set me apart or above anyone else – because I am the same at core! This is something I can’t change – I can only self-immolate to remedy this situation. This was seen as an immense relief of a huge burden that I no longer have to maintain myself in all these various small ways. In other words I am free to do anything, and anyone is free to say or think or do whatever in response, and none of it matters in terms of me having to prop myself up or defend myself or do anything. Cause I already know I’m not special, there is nothing I can actually defend to change this fact! (Actualism, Actualvineeto, Claudiu4, 18 January 2025). Naïveté, whenever it pops out – because ‘you’ allow it – can be cherished and appreciated and fully enjoyed – and it is infectious too. For fun and encouragement you can check out this message (Actualism, Actualvineeto, Articles, Naiveté Virus). ANDREW: The question of actual freedom, and being someone who may feel good through developing the ability to choose it, that is very interesting. VINEETO: Indeed, and the less you try to be someone but simply enjoy being here as happily and harmlessly as possible, the more it is happening of its own accord. Enjoy your childlike wonder with adult sensibilities. Cheers Vineeto December 2 2025 ANDREW: Thanks Vineeto! Very new to me. I like this quote from Claudiu. It’s been the ongoing investigation into music. That I am not special. I may have perhaps a talent, but that is far from unique. There is an old saying, there is nothing more common than the talented but unsuccessful. Which is the key for me to continue looking into this. It has been a hugely dominant force in my life, and in my father’s life. Understanding it, gently teases something out of me. How I hold on to this “special” talent. When, is it really there? Perhaps I do have an ear for music, and so? How is that anything different from someone born with the genetics to grow to 7 feet tall? It’s not anything that ‘I’ had anything to do with at all! I have been thinking a lot about music. How so much of it, if not the vast majority of it, is derived and contrived. Not in a negative sense, in the literal sense. It’s not unique, factually. For the most part. (…) VINEETO: Hi Andrew, This is fascinating, how an insight that “I am not special” has so many ramifications to ease the pressure of what you say has been an “obsession”, and now you are more at ease, more happy and naïvely curious as to what is going to happen next. That is something to truly appreciate. ANDREW: I never questioned anything like this. It was all about being an ‘artist’, whatever that was! Which I never actually was in anyway, but the fantasy was always there. As if I just had to take it seriously for a moment, and “poof!” Instant acclaim! hehe. It’s fun to give myself the space to smile at it all. Without animosity. It’s all preference really! Some people are very found of a particular kind of music, for a certain time, and then another kind! Just as my tastes have changed. VINEETO: Yes, this is what having preferences instead of passionate urges does – you can have smile, fun, you can explore your talent (or no talent), your tastes and you can play music instead of working on it. It doesn’t really matter. Music is for fun, pleasant to the ears and well worth enjoying and appreciating for the very amusement and delight. * VINEETO: Indeed, and the less you try to be someone but simply enjoy being here as happily and harmlessly as possible, the more it is happening of its own accord. Enjoy your childlike wonder with adult sensibilities ANDREW: I didn’t read this properly. That is indeed it! The less I try an ‘be’ anything, the more interesting things are. It’s not the fun in “questioning” per se, it’s the fun in not having to “be” something at the end of the thought. As in, I can create music without a snare on the backbeat if I like, and music of any sort at all, without defining myself. Simply, is it fun? Playful? VINEETO: Ah, I am pleased you understood. Just as having preferences instead of passionate urges is a ‘self-less (or ‘self’-diminishing) inclination, so are the felicitous and innocuous feelings in contrast to the ‘good’ and ‘bad’ feelings. Have playful fun finding out even more of the benefits of this naïve approach. Cheers Vineeto December 3 2025 ANDREW: Thanks Vineeto. The last two nights I was tail-gated aggressively by other drivers. Deliberately, I didn’t move out of the way, as that would inconvenience me. Long story short, today, on the second occasion, I had the thought; “for everything I have learnt about the human condition, personality disorders, mental illnesses etc, why am I so surprised and angry that I would encounter this behaviour in life?” (…) I pondered this in my last part of my journey. Whilst still being tailgated through my neighbourhood and feeling the rage which, if pushed may well have resulted in violence, I thought, “would I die to set that body free from the ‘entity’ which is clearly causing that behaviour?” (to be clear, at no point was I breaking the law, driving slowly or otherwise “asking for this”. Technically I was over the speed limit, but under what is classed as an offence). I remembered my two closest friends. Very large muscular guys, far bigger than average. Both capable of dominating most people if needed, but both are deeply thoughtful men. I thought of these same sized men (it’s usually men being aggressive on the freeway), men who obviously “back themselves” in a confrontation were it to come to that, and I saw what it would mean for every “body” to be free. No one would ever be afraid, and no one ever using physical size and capacity against anyone. Would I ‘self sacrifice’ to potentially set these aggressive male drivers free? Yes, I would. I can see that it was always such an obvious thing to do. VINEETO: Hi Andrew, A less radical way of proceeding – until you are ready to fully agree to self-immolation to happen – I can recommend to emotionally accept what is intellectually unacceptable in conjunction with putting everything on a preference basis – James: ... My question is: Can I accept the unacceptable? (…) Richard: Given that people are as-they-are and that the world is as-it-is there are more than a few things which are ‘unacceptable’ (child abuse, rape, murder, torture and so on). What worked for me twenty-odd years ago, as a preliminary step, was to rephrase the question so that it makes sense (rather than vainly apply any of those unliveable ‘unconditional acceptance’ type injunctions): • Can I emotionally accept that which is intellectually unacceptable? This way intelligence need not be compromised ... intelligence will no longer be crippled. (Richard, List B, James2, 18 August 2001). Cheers Vineeto December 11 2025 ANDREW: So… Haha, I always love to open with “So”. How is it, that such innocence can be the carrier of such destruction? VINEETO: Hi Andrew, What innocence? Do you genuinely believe that babies are born innocent – especially after your previous insight on guilt? Co-Respondent: I’m not out murdering, raping, abusing people and that sort of thing – as many people are not. Is one ‘guilty’ just by having a ‘human nature’? Richard: Not by having a human nature ... by being human nature (‘I’ am ‘my’ feelings and ‘my’ feelings are ‘me’): ‘I’ am guilty by virtue of ‘my’ very presence: it is ‘me’ as a psychological/psychic ‘being’ (at root an instinctual ‘being’) who is guilty of being harmful just by existing ... but it is not ‘my’ fault as ‘I’ am not to blame for ‘my’ existence (if anything it is blind nature which is at fault or to blame). In the normal human world one is considered guilty where one does nothing about one’s human nature. Traditionally people try to avoid this ‘doing nothing’ guilt by living in accord with culturally-determined morals and ethics and values and principles and mores and so on. However, when push comes to shove, this thin veneer of civilised life can vanish in an instant and the instinctual survival passions can come surging out in full force …<snip> The solution to all this is to be found in the actual world: in a pure consciousness experience (PCE), where ‘I’ as ‘my’ feelings am temporarily absent, it will be experienced that one is innocent for the very first time ... in a PCE there is not the slightest trace of guilt whatsoever to be found. ‘Tis a remarkably easy way to live. (Richard, Actual Freedom List, No. 27b, 17 August 2002). More information at Richard’s Selected Correspondence on Innocence and any other topic which you find fascinating enough to explore further (Richard, Selected Correspondence, Index). Perhaps some taking advantage of the vast amount of information, freely available on the Actual Freedom Trust website, would be beneficial before you squander your time and energy on having feelings about theories and beliefs that are far from factual? ANDREW: For context, and to avoid my historical habit of being cryptic and mysterious; my otherwise cheerful, adventurous, and caring mother, has carried and passed on all the horrors of the human condition. Just as every mother and father in all of history has done. Wow. What a betrayal! Each of us, grown in the innocence of ignorance and being completely new to being alive at all, carry on this utter insanity! VINEETO: Again, as ignorance is not innocence, there was no “betrayal” to be outraged or indignant about – “every mother and father in all of history” have been genetically endowed with instinctual passions and furnished with social conditioning and passed this on to the next generation, just as you have done with your own children. It’s worth contemplating from this angle – Richard: … “it is not ‘my’ fault as ‘I’ am not to blame for ‘my’ existence (if anything it is blind nature which is at fault or to blame).” (Richard, Actual Freedom List, No. 27b, 17 August 2002). Cheers Vineeto December 13 2025 VINEETO to Adam-H: Ha, it sounds like a terrible chore the way you put it “I have to actually be felicitous and innocuous” – don’t make it into a moral doctrine or precept to be obeyed else it gets corrupted into a tool to keep you miserable. (Actualism, Actualvineeto, Adam-H, 11 December 2025). ANDREW: This is what I understand to be the difference between actuality / the condition-less enjoyment of being alive, and ‘being’ as the ‘human condition’; each moment of ‘being’ is a trial, a test, a do or die ultimatum. It’s never anything but a trudging battle against the obvious inevitability of failure. VINEETO: Hi Andrew, If for you “each moment of ‘being’ is a trial”, “a trudging battle against the obvious inevitability of failure”, as it apparently was a decade ago when you wrote the memorable sentence “I gird myself for battle every morning”, isn’t it high time to locate this belief (truth) and closely examine it so that you can do something about it, i.e. abandon it for good? Nobody but you forces you to be either a warrior or a failure. When you sincerely recognize that ‘you’ are your feelings and your feelings are ‘you’, you have the choice to be a more felicitous and innocuous feeling and decline to continue being resentful. For instance, you can locate your basic resentment of being alive on this wonderful green and azure planet and recognize, from the depth of your ‘being’ that it is a pathetic waste of this very moment of being alive, and plain silly to keep this aspect of your affective personality alive for another day. Have a look at Richard’s selected correspondence on this topic for further inspiration, if you are inclined to sincerely let resentment go. (Richard, Selected Correspondence, Resentment). ANDREW: I woke this morning with the feeling of acute anxiety in my chest. Later in the day it occurred to me that there was no such thing as “anxiety in my chest”. That my heart may indeed be reacting to my jogging exercise, and my beer intake, but “terror” was never in my actual chest. VINEETO: Oh yes, it is in your actual chest – denial is not going to solve anything. Here is an example of such a (spiritually-inspired) way of denial – RESPONDENT: Fear as we know is but an after-thought. RICHARD: Pure fear is an affective feeling ... a passion. It has nothing to do with thought. RESPONDENT: There is just the preparedness of the body to meet with situations. RICHARD: You are way out on your own in the scientific field of biology here, because ‘the preparedness of the body to meet with situations’ is known as the ‘freeze or fight or flight’ reaction ... and the body is brimming with adrenaline. In other words: pure fear. This is what science looks like ... not that pseudo-science you are coming out with. RESPONDENT: Well, ‘pure fear’ is the description – what happens in such a moment is indescribable under best of the situations, scientific or otherwise. RICHARD: It is not ‘indescribable’ at all ... it is the adrenaline coursing through your veins; the heart pumping furiously; the palms sweaty; the face blanched white; knuckles gripped; body tensed and so on and so on (leading to ‘freeze’ or ‘fight’ or ‘flight’). Of course it can be described ... and in nuances ranging from disquietude, uneasiness, nervousness or apprehension through to anxiety, fear, terror, horror, panic and dread. RESPONDENT: Krishnamurti correctly points out: word fear is not the fear. RICHARD: Of course the word ‘fear’ is not fear itself ... it is a name for it so that we can communicate. Do you take me to be an idiot? Some other correspondent came out with similar twaddle (offering me the word ‘coffee’ instead of the actual substance) and this is just as silly. Look, fear is the adrenaline coursing through your veins; the heart pumping furiously; the palms sweaty; the face blanched white; knuckles gripped; body tensed and so on and so on. Observing this, in both oneself and in others – and in animals – this is ‘observing with the objectivity of a scientist’. (...) And all sentient beings are born with this fear. (Richard, List B, No. 33, 3 October 1999) All passionate feelings, especially when experienced repeatedly and persistently, release chemicals (for instance adrenaline and cortisol) acting unfavourably on your physical body. Stress is slowly being acknowledged as being responsible for certain diseases and health problems. Richard: Hormones – such as the adrenaline an angry and/or fearful identity psychosomatically induces a body to secrete – are indeed actual. Viz.: • adrenaline: a hormone, (HO)2C6H3rCHOHrCH2NHCH3, secreted by the adrenal medulla of people and animals under stress, which has a range of physiological effects, e.g. on circulation, breathing, muscular activity, and carbohydrate metabolism’. (Oxford Dictionary). (Richard, Actual Freedom List, Tarin, 21 June 2006). In contrast – Respondent: I’d be interested in hearing whether Richard (...) still experience rushes of adrenaline. Richard: I do not experience rushes of adrenaline. (Richard, Actual Freedom List, No. 27a, 30 January 2002). In case you are looking for an additional convincing reason (apart from feeling bad) to be attentive to how you experience being alive and choose to be a different feeling when you do not enjoy/ appreciate being alive, then a wish to not have “the feeling of acute anxiety” with physical side-effects in your chest might give you additional motivation. Cheers Vineeto December 18 2025 ANDREW: The statement it “silly” not to feel good finally makes sense, beyond the obvious. I am experiencing the being no reason behind feeling bad! That really great. Hi Andrew, This is great. You may like this quote – Richard: The more you feel good the more feeling good happens; the more feeling good happens the better you feel; the better you feel the more feeling better gets ... and so on and so on ... gradually increasing ever-incrementally until one day you can get to the stage the identity in residence all those years ago got to where ‘he’ would say how ‘he’ had to invent a new word (‘bester’) because how on earth could best keep on getting better. (Be warned: the sky is not the limit). (Richard, List D, No. 11, 25 November 2009a). Cheers Vineeto
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