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Please note that the text below was written by the feeling-being ‘Peter’ while ‘he’ lived in a pragmatic (methodological), still-in-control/same-way-of-being Virtual Freedom before becoming actually free.
## Spiritual & Metaphysical Scientists science — 1 a the systematic study of man and his environment based on the deduction and inferences which can be made, and the general laws which can be formulated, from reproductible observations and measurements of events and parameters within the universe; b the knowledge so obtained. 2 systematized knowledge in general. 3 a a particular branch of knowledge; b skill, proficiency. Oxford Dictionary Peter: I do discern two strands of science: physical science (which properly contains ‘pure science’ and ‘applied science’) metaphysical science (which properly contains ‘science fiction’ and ‘mystical science’) The scientific studies involved with studying the ‘big’ picture of the universe, the macroscopic – cosmology – as well as the study of the microscopic – quantum physics – both leave the realm of reproducible observations and measurements of events and parameters within the universe. As science studies the cosmos, the measurements very quickly become so huge as to be inconceivable, non-sensical (beyond what we can perceive with our senses) and immeasurable – both in distance and time. Similarly, when science studies the sub-atomic, the measurements very quickly become so minute as to be inconceivable, non-sensical (beyond what we can perceive with our senses) and immeasurable. Science has great difficulty with both infinite and zero – both figures make any mathematical equation instantly and irrevocably unworkable. Given the lack of any measurable factual data to work with, both the macroscopic and microscopic sciences have developed into theoretical sciences – a field of study where reproducible observations and measurements of events and parameters play no part and where theories, speculation, imagination and fantasy abound. Unfettered by any physical considerations or restraints these sciences thus become metaphysical sciences and, as such, have conveniently co-opted many theories from the mystical world. Thus we have the ‘parallel universes theory’ (‘other-worlds’), creation and doomsday events (God by any other name), particles that only exist when one is looking at them (an illusionary world), the universal Theory of Everything (the Truth), etc., etc. The cute thing is that theoretical scientists quote the ancient mystics as validation of their theories, and the modern mystics quote the theoretical scientists as validation for their fantasies – an infinite regression of insanity. * RESPONDENT: That is the best that I can do so far in explaining the observer-observed paradigm in Quantum Mechanics/ Bohmian terms so far. This view also seems to tally with the Vedantic view of the world (the inner reality being the same as the outer reality) that I posted on this forum two days back. RICHARD: But of course it ‘seems to tally with the Vedantic view of the world’ because it is derived from Vedanta. In the west, the nineteenth century was optimistically called the ‘Age of Enlightenment’ (knowledge enlightenment) until eastern mystics came onto the world stage at the turn of the century with spiritual enlightenment ... busily being hell-bent on returning a burgeoning thoughtful part of humankind to the darkness of superstition. Western civilisation, which has struggled to get out of superstition and medieval ignorance, is in danger of slipping back into the supernatural as the Eastern mystical thought and belief that is beginning to have its strangle-hold upon otherwise intelligent people is becoming more widespread. Prior to the recent influx of eastern philosophy, if one realised that ‘I am God’, one would have been institutionalised ... and, to some degree, rightly so. One has stepped out of an illusion, only to wind up living in a delusion. However, the trouble with people who discard the god of Christianity and/or Judaism is that they do not realise that by turning to the Eastern spirituality they have effectively jumped out of the frying pan into the fire. Eastern spirituality is religion ... merely in a different form to what people in the west have been raised to believe in. Eastern philosophy sounds so convincing to the western mind that is desperately looking for answers. The Christian and/or Judaic conditioning actually sets up the situation for a thinking person to be susceptible to the esoteric doctrines of the east. [...] If it were not for the appalling suffering engendered it would all be highly amusing. (Richard, List B, No. 33b, 30 November 1999)
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