Please note that Vineeto’s correspondence below was written by the actually free Vineeto
(List D refers to Richard’s List D and his Respondent Numbers) Vineeto’s Selected Correspondence Naiveté December 16 2024 VINEETO: And naïvely paying attention to the attributes of these aspects of identity you have the choice to decline those aspects and eventually allow them to wither so that you not only can continue to enjoy and appreciate being here but naïvely marvel in wide-eyed wonder at the magnificence of the physical world around you. IAN: And it really is so much fun. It feels like have crossed a threshold where now I am engaged in the play of increasing my enjoyment and appreciation, becoming happy and harmless, above/instead of my normal goals, because it is so much fun – fun now, to see the way I tick, to identify/ describe the different facets/ faces of being this identity, and gently let them slide in favour of more harmlessness. There’s so much to it, so much wonderfulness – it seems every part of the experience of being alive is fascinating. I’m having what seems to be somewhat cyclical (as my energy and attention waxes and wanes) waves of experiences of naiveté that I haven’t had before, where there is no enemy, where life is playful and joyful, where shimmers of amazement and wonder come to the fore, where there is literal pleasure trickling through my body in just being alive – sensuosity is also of the internal body, where feeling good really feels so good, where appreciation of my fellow human being (great phrase) and the acknowledgement of effort made and energy imparted by us as individuals and collectively comes easily. Enjoying seeing where this is going. VINEETO: Good morning Ian, I don’t know if you heard, there is a serious mental health warning regarding a new, very contagious virus called “naiveté”. It is highly contagious because it has been discovered that it spreads on the psychic network via happy and harmless vibes such as is happening already on this forum and is therefore not restricted to only local outbreaks of the disease. It is something entirely new in the real world. Even though children display certain symptoms when young, they soon grow out of it. But now formerly serious grown-ups and easily manageable obedient citizens have been afflicted, and increasingly it appears that it can pop up anywhere on the planet. Because it spreads via the psychic network it cannot be contained via the trusted methods of isolation, hence clinical virologists are at a loss how to deal with it. They know from some known cases that if unchecked it will, in its final stage, lead to insanity, namely depersonalisation, derealization, alexithymia and anhedonia. Authorities can only suggest intensifying seriousness and activating resentment and cynicism as a precaution. Some suggested to use the deterrent of labelling those already afflicted as followers of a cult but that has proven ineffective because of the large cultural-background variety of those afflicted. The symptoms which have been reported (from one afflicted person) are as follows – • And it really is so much fun. It feels like have crossed a threshold where now I am engaged in the play of increasing my enjoyment and appreciation, becoming happy and harmless, above/instead of my normal goals, because it is so much fun – fun now, to see the way I tick, to identify/describe the different facets/faces of being this identity, and gently let them slide in favour of more harmlessness. There’s so much to it, so much wonderfulness – it seems every part of the experience of being alive is fascinating. I’m having what seems to be somewhat cyclical (as my energy and attention waxes and wanes) waves of experiences of naiveté that I haven’t had before, where there is no enemy, where life is playful and joyful, where shimmers of amazement and wonder come to the fore, where there is literal pleasure trickling through my body in just being alive – sensuosity is also of the internal body, where feeling good really feels so good, where appreciation of my fellow human being (great phrase) and the acknowledgement of effort made and energy imparted by us as individuals and collectively comes easily. (Ian’s Journal, 15 December 2024). Further symptoms have been observed elsewhere – • There was a sensation in my head of unending delight. I was here again. There was immediacy and there was so much in this moment that I could not ask for anything more. Complete abundance the likes of which I had not experienced before. What surprised me even more was that for a few moments, I could not go back. It was happening on its own. This unending delight. (Crono’s Journal, 116, 16 September 2024). • I found myself to be like a kid again for a brief moment. And in that being-like-a-kid revivification, it occurred to me with a crystal-clear clarity and obviousness as to how I do not have to be/feel the way blind nature dictated that I feel … (Zulip Chat, Srid, 5 March 2024). • And today while experimenting with this “fresh” information it became clear to me how appreciation, i.e. being a person who appreciates whatever is happening to him, is tightly connected to being naive because I could not bring myself to be like this without feeling a bit foolish, a real simpleton! (Almog in James’ Journal, 26 July 2024). • As long as I’m liking myself (even to the point of experiencing such unending delight), it is delicious to naturally extend that enjoyment and appreciation to incorporate any and all people. […] … there’s an immense safety in this way of being (as in, I can never be hurt). It requires no morality […], as it is sensible, delightful and effortless. […] Life is much simpler from the vantage point of being naive (being likeable and liking). A lot of things can happen more spontaneously. Life is much less serious. (Private conversation, 24.9.2024). • And I realized – I could be sensuous! I can use the energy for sensuousness, instead. And so I proceeded to naively be sensuous and I saw that I could always be sensuous, because actuality is already always happening anyway – so sensuousness is always possible to be an ‘activity’ that one does, so to speak. And the benefit was immediately tangible – everything shone into perfect clarity and richness, and it was immensely wondrous and enjoyable to boot! (Claudiu’s Journal, 9 December 2024). • One is seen to be odd in no longer having a ‘grand plan’ of any description, in going blank when asked ‘who are you’ or ‘what is next’, and yet it is the denizens of the ‘real world’ that are always quick to complain about life being a burden. So all in all I am gladly proceeding towards insanity, haha. (Kuba’s Journal, 2 November 2024). ‘Worldly-wise scientists’ who have seen such reports are deeply concerned – the development of the viral disease seems to start with not being serious and having too much fun, and then disregarding some of the pillars of the strict morality of this generally sedate and obedient population. So far, they have detected no physical danger to other people as those afflicted appear good-natured, kind and gentle – but the disturbing and unsettling aspect is that they are happy and carefree, and such people cannot be controlled and/or manipulated back in line towards the status quo by arousing in them feelings of anger or fear. Those afflicted also report experiencing a “pure intent” to leave this real world for good. If this uncontrollable disease spreads around the globe, authorities fear, it will be the end of wars and stress and the world as we know it, and therefore thousands of people employed in those industries will be out of a job. Here is how one man who caught the virus early in his life and who was diagnoses with the above psychiatric classifications by accredited psychiatrists even said that not being afflicted with the virus of naiveté and its ramifications was “foolishness of the highest order” – • To the realist – the ‘worldly-wise’ – this appears like utter foolishness. After all, life is a ‘vale of tears’ and one must ‘make the best of a bad situation’ because one ‘can’t change human nature’; and therefore ‘you have to fight for your rights’. This derogatory advice is endlessly forthcoming; the put-down of the universe goes on ad nauseam, wherever one travels throughout the world. This universe is so enormous in size – infinity being as enormous as it can get – and so magnificent in its scope – eternity being as magnificent as it can get – how on earth could anyone believe for a minute that it is all here for humans to be forever miserable and malicious in? It is foolishness of the highest order to believe it to be impossible to be free. (Library, Topics, Naiveté). End of warning message – your life will never be the same again. Cheers Vineeto (Actualism, Actualvineeto, Ian, 16 December 2024). January 17, 2025 JESUSCARLOS: Today I woke up feeling stuck in my process. When observing my feelings during the early hours of the morning, I discovered aggression. Anger. Nothing really strong, a state of subtle discomfort. Some bitterness. For some reason, this old pattern of resentment in general was reactivated. What I can detect is that it has to do with the fact that I feel threatened in my new work environment. Defence mechanisms were activated. That ancestral animal that I was able to recognize, integrate and eventually send to rest during the July PCE. At that time, that instinct was active in relation to the fear of feeling rejected by my partner. Today is this other situation, of feeling under attack in the work environment. This quote that I put above reminds me that the only way to continue, and get out of stagnation, is to recover the pure intent, lower my arms and not seek to defend myself. Instead, from a sincere intent (to use the terms more precisely), try to look at the situation anew and act harmlessly. The only thing I will gain by acting aggressively, or defensively, is more of a perception of being under attack. I want to change perspective and learn to live in harmony with my fellow human beings even in this environment. But I’m having a hard time seeing the silliness of the situation. VINEETO: Hi JesusCarlos, Can it be that the problems you listed are related to your resentment you talked about a month ago – not getting recognition. JesusCarlos: I recognize that what I want is recognition. I long for recognition. Here is part of my reply to you – Vineeto: Longing “for recognition“ is not something superficial, it is an inbuilt feature of the human condition. You not only “long for recognition“, ‘you’ need it for ‘your’ very existence. ‘You’, the identity’, being a contingent ‘being’, cannot exist on ‘your’ own – ‘you’ require constant confirmation to justify and confirm ‘your’ existence, else ‘your’ non-substantial nature will become apparent. (Actualism, ActualVineeto, JesusCarlos, 20 December 2024) Naturally you experience “the fear of feeling rejected by my partner“ and “feeling under attack in the work environment“. In this modus operandi you are competing with every other feeling being for the highest amount of recognition you can get, just as they are doing, and you are naturally in battle with every person you are in contact with. A lose-lose situation. The alternative is to get back to feeling good and recognize that you can be a friend to yourself and treat others as fellow human beings rather than competitors in a futile battle for recognition of a fake ‘identity’. With the help of remembering your “July PCE“ maybe this conversation of Richard’s can give you a hint how to proceed – RICHARD: When one has an insight into an aspect of the Human Condition, there is action ... and this action is the actualising of the experience so that one’s personality is changed, irrevocably. Otherwise, I agree, the experience, the insight, becomes knowledge ... and knowledge is dead. Dead, that is, until it is activated and lived in one’s daily life. Sagacity lies in the living of a realisation … (Richard, List B, No. 20, 14 Feb 1998) RESPONDENT: Can an insight, one moment of insight, have an effect here? Does this not call for something that is from moment to moment, ongoing. RICHARD: Yes, indeed it can. One fundamental moment of insight can alter the entire course of one’s life wherein becoming free of the Human Condition is no longer a matter of choice – it is an irresistible pull. And, yes, then there is something that is from moment to moment, ongoing. I choose to call this something: ‘Pure Intent’. Pure intent is a palpable life-force; an actually occurring stream of benevolence and benignity that originates in the perfect and vast stillness that is the essential character of the infinitude of this physical universe. One can bring about a benediction from that perfection and purity, which is the essential character of the universe, by contacting and cultivating one’s original state of naiveté. Naiveté is that intimate aspect of oneself that is the nearest approximation that one can have of actual innocence – there is no innocence so long as there is a self – and constant awareness of naive intimacy results in a continuing benediction. This blessing allows a connection to be made between oneself and the perfection and purity. [Emphasis added]. (Richard, List B, No. 20, 17 Feb 1998) The key to unlock naiveté is sincerity, “which is that intimate aspect of oneself that is usually kept hidden away for fear of seeming foolish (a simpleton) ... it is like being a child again but with adult sensibilities (wherein one can separate out the distinction between being naïve and being gullible/ trusting).“ (Richard, Actual Freedom List, No. 79, 7 June 2006). With naiveté operating in your life you can like yourself and like others … and it is a wonderful way of experiencing each moment, far more enjoyable and inducive in providing fun, appreciation and dignity in your life than any battle for recognition can ever deliver. Cheers Vineeto January 18, 2025 VINEETO: Can it be that the problems you listed are related to your resentment you talked about a month ago – not getting recognition? JESUSCARLOS: Indeed! Is the same. VINEETO: Naturally you experience “the fear of feeling rejected by my partner” and “feeling under attack in the work environment”. In this modus operandi you are competing with every other feeling being for the highest amount of recognition you can get, just as they are doing, and you are naturally in battle with every person you are in contact with. A lose-lose situation. JESUSCARLOS: That´s totally true, I’m not sure that with “every person” but the ones I perceive as a threat in these two fields. VINEETO: Hi JesusCarlos, Thank you for confirming that. Of course I didn’t mean the butcher, the baker and the check-out girl, but every person who you have some kind of investment in. * VINEETO: The alternative is to get back to feeling good and recognize that you can be a friend to yourself and treat others as fellow human beings rather than competitors in a futile battle for recognition of a fake ‘identity’. JESUSCARLOS: I can see now that I lost being a friend with myself. So I ask from others what I can’t give to myself. And I think this have a link with stress. Ultimately, stress is triggered because I have stopped having the best possible relationship with myself. I perceive a “threat” in an emotional way, fear or anxiety about something is triggered. When those emotions persist, stress is triggered. Those emotions persist because I forget to return to that friendship with myself, which consists of a form of emotional attention (affective attentiveness) that immediately inclines me towards feeling good (I already know that feeling good is a choice, as I have been able to confirm a few months ago). This is HAIETMOBA in action (just recognizing the problem, after an insight, is not enough, it becomes knowledge and not transformation of myself). VINEETO: Yes, when one is a warrior in the imaginary jungle of fighting for social rewards, those who are gentle and friendly (to themselves and others) have no ranking. This is a good insight – “just recognizing the problem, after an insight, is not enough, it becomes knowledge and not transformation of myself”. Nothing is lost … here is another moment where you can put your insight into action. Btw, you don’t have to have a “relationship” with yourself. You don’t have to split yourself into two in order to be kind in the way you treat yourself. * VINEETO: The key to unlock naiveté is sincerity, “which is that intimate aspect of oneself that is usually kept hidden away for fear of seeming foolish (a simpleton) … it is like being a child again but with adult sensibilities (wherein one can separate out the distinction between being naïve and being gullible/ trusting).” (Richard, Actual Freedom List, No. 79, 7 June 2006). JESUSCARLOS: This hits the nail on the head. This is my main problem. I have this fear of being seen like this. The entire political culture around me warns the opposite: you have to be clever, outsmart the other guy who wants to use you, beat you, win, etc. The morality of this world dictates “he who hits first hits twice.” The Christian antidote of turning the other cheek is well known. And it doesn’t work, because you just end up trampled, humiliated and ultimately sacrificed, all for upholding the value of humility. Separating the distinction between being naive and being gullible/ trusting seems to be what I must discover as a third alternative. Allow the intelligence of this body to operate for the greatest benefit of itself and everyone else, without a false identity to uphold. VINEETO: I think Claudiu’s recent description is particularly fitting – Claudiu: The other wondrous recent insight was in seeing how I am actually not ‘special’ in that I am essentially the same as any other feeling-being out there. In terms of what I am at my core. In other words I don’t have to maintain or hold onto or try to prop up any aspect of myself that would set me apart or above anyone else – because I am the same at core! This is something I can’t change – I can only self-immolate to remedy this situation. This was seen as an immense relief of a huge burden that I no longer have to maintain myself in all these various small ways. In other words I am free to do anything, and anyone is free to say or think or do whatever in response, and none of it matters in terms of me having to prop myself up or defend myself or do anything. Cause I already know I’m not special, there is nothing I can actually defend to change this fact! * VINEETO: With naiveté operating in your life you can like yourself and like others … and it is a wonderful way of experiencing each moment, far more enjoyable and inducive in providing fun, appreciation and dignity in your life than any battle for recognition can ever deliver. JESUSCARLOS: I have to access again to that naiveté to be able to confirm this wonder. I will be remembering the PCE for that. Thank you very much for your assistance Vineeto. VINEETO: You are very welcome JesusCarlos, it only takes a little courage, coupled with the firm knowledge of the fact that the other way does not work. JESUSCARLOS: p.s. I remember a wonderful moment in particular during that PCE. My gaze was fixed on the horizon, far away, and beyond the horizon, towards what was no longer visible. A thought associated with infinity arose: what I really am has the capacity to see very far, further than what is considered normal. This is its true capacity. To be able to see beyond the present, towards the enormous and infinite of this vast universe. And with that gaze, to look again at the immediate: there was perfection. VINEETO: Thank you for the description, it is wondrous, mirificent. It makes all the persistence and diligence worth-while. This “true capacity” is apperception. Cheers Vineeto February 21 2025 SCOUT: Becoming more naive sometimes has come with sadness. When I strip away my cynicism and numbness I just see a lot of hurt and scared people. I see how the people I love struggle and are in pain. I also see that they are finite and going to die. I remember being little and the enormity of all of those things was overwhelming and it devastated me and eventually I numbed out but now I see it again and I feel it deeply. VINEETO: Hi Scout, You describe very well why it is initially difficult to allow naiveté into one’s life. All the emotional pain and sorrow you feel when opening up can be quite overwhelming and devastating. Feeling being ‘Vineeto’ could only allow feeling the full extent of this sorrow when ‘she’ knew with the certainty gained from the PCE that there was an actual solution to the millennia-old ubiquitous sorrow of the human condition. You may recall what I wrote to Kuba recently (Actualism, Actualvineeto, Kuba4, 18 February 2025) – ‘Vineeto’ (to Richard): Last night serendipity provided the answer to my question to you, which had been going on in my head since I wrote to you. The experiential answer to ‘I am many and many is me’ presented itself in the form a TV program on International Humanitarian Aid Organizations and their role and accountability. For one and a half hours there was ample footage presented on human suffering and devastation in war, famine, genocide and racial ‘cleansing’ on one side and the helpless, well-intentioned, yet almost useless effort of people in the aid organizations on the other side. The presentation was enough to make it utterly and unquestionably clear to me that there is no difference between me and the hundreds of thousands who have suffered and died and those who have, without success or effective change, tried to help – for ‘umpteen hundreds of thousands of years’. On an overwhelming instinctual level ‘I’ am ‘them’ and ‘I’ have had no solution and never will have a solution. The devastation is enormous and the only way ‘out’ is ‘self’-sacrifice. [Emphasis added] (Actualism, Vineeto, Actual Freedom List, Richard, 28.9.1999). It is nevertheless excellent that you can allow yourself to be “more naïve” which “sometimes has come with sadness”. Remember to also be appreciative of both your courage and sensitivity to humanity’s plight. SCOUT: I don’t really know how to move back to feeling good other than feeling these things when they hit me. If I try to redirect my attention I feel the ignored feelings buzzing in the background, where they can remain as agitation for days to weeks if I insist on not facing them. So I give the feelings my attention and they swallow me for a little and I sob harder than I’ve sobbed in memory. And then after that they start to recede. I don’t know if this goes against the method, it’s just kind of naturally started happening as I’ve started paying more direct attention to what’s going on in my mind and body. I know crying doesn’t change anything but it really demands to be felt, I can’t get around it. It has been making me kinder and more patient with people. But I also notice the desire to help people emerging, out of compassion. I’ve been noticing this without entertaining the fantasies too much because it seems silly to have someone who is not fully free of pain wanting to guide others out of pain. Towards what? I don’t know where I’m going, But I feel more raw than I’ve felt since childhood. VINEETO: I remember from ‘Vineeto’s’ experiences that it can take a while to feel out those intensive feelings. It also gives you a bit more information how ‘you’ tick (and by extent how every feeling being ticks at the core of their being). Henry is correct that when indulging in too much sorrow, you can be swallowed up and seduced by the bitter-sweetness of sorrow – but with fascinated attention you are bound to discover the right balance. Feeling “more raw than I’ve felt since childhood” is a good indicator that you have allowed naiveté to peek through your numbness, and years of hiding from behind those walls certainly needs getting used to. Be aware, i.e. be attentive, when this sorrow flips into compassion (=is suffering with others) because that might initially feel better but will only extend the sorrow. You can be helping others by feeling good yourself and instead be practically patient, considerate and friendly. R: One can give unconditional love to another for twenty four hours a day – I have done this myself, years ago – and the other is still not satisfied. Initially thrilled, yes, but eventually it is not enough. Total acceptance, total appreciation, total love ... that is what I provided for another, once upon a time ... and it was not what she needed. She only felt that that would satisfy, that that was what would settle the gnawing ache, the gaping wound, the longing void. It was not. Q(2): Oh yes, I know that from myself. It turns it back onto me, doesn’t it? R: Not only does another person not have to provide you with fulfilment, the fact is they can not. Once one realises this, one is free from the other. And not only are you free from them, but you free them from your demands, your expectations that you put upon them – like your parents do. It is a two-way thing. If, as you say, you go around the world to visit your parents to ‘pacify them’ – to fulfil their expectations – you, too, are looking for fulfilment. Which is why I asked you: ‘What is your investment?’ (Audio-taped Dialogues, Compassion Gained through Forgiveness Binds) You observed it well – you would not know where to lead others, other than providing a living example how to live without resentment of being here, by enjoying and appreciating being alive, and thus prove wrong the ancient belief that ‘life is a vale of tears’. What also helps is to emotionally accept that which is intellectually unacceptable – RICHARD: Given that people are as-they-are and that the world is as-it-is there are more than a few things which are ‘unacceptable’ (child abuse, rape, murder, torture and so on). What worked for me twenty-odd years ago, as a preliminary step, was to rephrase the question so that it makes sense (rather than vainly apply any of those unliveable ‘unconditional acceptance’ type injunctions): • Can I emotionally accept that which is intellectually unacceptable? This way intelligence need not be compromised ... intelligence will no longer be crippled. (Richard, List B, James2, 18 Aug 2001). SCOUT: Maybe this is part of the compulsion of self-immolation, because it feels like I as an emotional entity have to choose between being numb or feeling intense and destabilizing emotional pain in response to the misery of humanity. Humanity loves its weeping martyrs but honestly from an experiential perspective, being the martyr seems like kind of a raw deal. Sure it’s pretty blissful to feel loving and compassionate and connected but it seems inextricable: if feeling connected with other people supplies the druggy good feelings, then feeling disconnected from them or rejected by them produces bad feelings. If their happiness brings good feelings, then their misery brings bad ones. So I’m handing other people, who are often volatile and repressed and on some level unhappy, the reins to my well-being. I don’t like living this way. VINEETO: Well said. You are discovering more and more about the human condition and why the old ways don’t work and never have. And now you have an alternative which works. Being naïve you can experiment with being both sensitive and sensible and appreciate the successes you have to enjoy life more than before. Cheers Vineeto June 23 2025 KUBA: However I do agree with what you wrote here: Vineeto: Even though one can become actually free without having dismantled the whole of one’s social identity – if aspects of it bother you now then now is the time to examine those and may remove a lot of your present ‘jitters’. It will also remove various obstacles/ concerns which you may come across exploring the full range of naiveté and being as close to innocence as a ‘self’ can be. [Emphasis by Kuba]. KUBA: Those last 2 points are relevant and related, in that there is clearly something blocking naiveté from flourishing fully. And I very much find this prospect attractive, to find a way for naiveté to flourish fully – both because of the immediate reward and because it is the best thing ‘I’ can presently do to get closer to reaching ‘my’ destiny. What I can locate in myself which is possibly blocking naiveté from flourishing is this deep feeling that I am disliked by others. This feeling goes against all my day to day experience so clearly there is something there. As an example with my hen party work, I have done at least a thousand of these events now and in 99% of the cases they are all having a great time and clearly they very much enjoy having me there. And yet almost every time as I am on my way to meet a new group there is this deep feeling/ expectation/ belief that they will dislike me. Now this feeling will usually disappear within a couple of minutes of me meeting the group as I find out yet again that they are enjoying my company. And yet the next time around the expectation is still there, against this overwhelming amount of data pointing in the other direction. So clearly there is this aspect of – fervently wishing something to be true. VINEETO: So the original issue of “keep it together” revealed a general anxiety – “this deep feeling that I am disliked by others”. KUBA: It seems this may be related to the fact that I was never able to quite relate like others did. That there were all these rules and double meanings and hidden messages that perhaps I could not pick up and inadvertently I would sooner or latter accidentally transgress some expectation or boundary. I always found people to be very volatile in this manner, that niceness would very quickly turn to malice when I did not “play ball”. Now again this really seems like a “phantom problem” because I can’t remember the last time someone was less than nice towards me. VINEETO: The way you describe this it looks like a habitual expectation, held in place for many years. Before I reply in detail, let me ask you if you wrote this post while feeling good, feeling excellent, or did you write it while in the grip of being anxious? I ask because contemplation about any emotional issue works best when feeling good and further below you list all the reasons justifying having this feeling, which in the actual situation “will usually disappear within a couple of minutes”. KUBA: But perhaps the belief is that the only reason I am able to maintain niceness with others is because I am “playing ball” with them and so if the controller was to disappear and then ‘I’ was ‘being’ naiveté as an ongoing modus operandi then ‘my’ very presence would be an irritant to others. VINEETO: The way you described how you experience life appears way past “playing ball” and being nice. To believe that you would be an “irritant to others” you would have to ignore/ overlooked what I said only two days ago – Vineeto: Now these very same psychic currents can have a powerful beneficial effect when they are felicitous and innocuous i.e. happy and harmless feelings – 05 January 2010: • [Co-Respondent]: ... the way is open for the consciousness mutation to be implemented on a global level. • [Richard]: Indeed so ... via happy and harmless (affective) ‘vibes’ and felicitous and innocuous (psychic) ‘currents’. (I have oft-times said that is where the real power-play occurs). (Long Awaited Announcement). (Actualism, Actualvineeto, Kuba7, 21 June 2025). These felicitous and innocuous vibes/ currents are also highly contagious. KUBA: There was something that was written in one of the links you included: That the society we exist in is a fun and sex depreciating society, it’s a bit like that. It’s not just a case of the fear of being different but I am worried about people attacking me when I no longer give credence to all this seriousness. That by living naively and in gay abandon I will sooner or later accidentally transgress some boundary. Will I laugh when I was supposed to be serious? Will I forget to reciprocate some unspoken rule? Will I not realise that they other expects me to respond in this particular way etc. And I am scared of this, because I have seen just how quickly the so-called goodness flips into malice, that I am a friend as long as I “play ball” and then very quickly I become foe. VINEETO: This is not to make light of your reasons for feeling scared – and it could well be an atavistic [archaic, primal, primitive] fear passed on for generations that it is dangerous to leave the herd – but it is nevertheless a feeling and no longer a fact in the society you live in, that as long as you use your adult sensibilities being naïve will not get you killed. At the start of actualism feeling being ‘Vineeto’ had similar atavistic fears that if ‘she’ stepped out of line ‘she’ could be burned at the stake, as had happened in the middle ages – and this fear was no picnic at first – ‘Vineeto’: The psychic world of divine and evil, with its atavistic feelings and psychic power structures, is not to be dismissed lightly. It is not a small thing we are doing, stepping out of ancient psychic history and leaving behind at least 3,500 years of recorded superstition and belief, hope for heaven and fear of hell. I encountered fears of being burnt as a witch, expelled from the tribe or starved to death – which in not so recent history were not just psychic imagined fears. These fears all seem to be woven as an ancient memory in our brain cells and are automatically triggered the moment one dares to steps out of the tribal, religious or social group one has belonged to. Two things always helped me to overcome those fear-attacks – one was the obvious fact that feelings are not actual. Nobody is actually persecuting me or physically threatening me. The other thing is the understanding that I am deliberately and actively dismantling my very ‘self’, all of ‘who I think and feel I am’ and of course that will rock the boat, it wouldn’t be an actual change if it didn’t! Then, the journey becomes really thrilling ... (Actualism, Vineeto, Actual Freedom List, Gary, 3.8.2000). Objectively “this really seems like a ‘phantom problem’”, except that you believe it to be possibly true, based on very old memories and habituation. KUBA: Actually, the correspondence Richard had on the AFT when he first went public is a perfect demonstration of this, and the same for ‘Peter’ and ‘Vineeto’. What incredible push back against well-meaning fellow human beings demonstrating a different way of doing things. Addendum: I guess Richard never experienced a single ‘bite’ though and was obviously physically safe throughout all this discussion. So I wonder is it the same with ‘being’ naiveté, that of course there is a world of identities that would demand one to be serious and yet it doesn’t have to count for anything at all. VINEETO: Indeed, Richard met plenty of doubt and opposition when he first wrote on the spiritual mailing lists (List A, a supposedly atheistic list) and List B (followers of J. Krishnamurti) but the most extensive and outright vicious witch-hunt started after the Direct Route was successfully opened, and the people in the real world felt a threatening wind that actualism would disrupt in their accustomed (malicious/ sorrowful and highly valued) way of life. This was never spelt out, or even recognized, but their actions of pulling out all the stops of civilized decency revealed their actions as an attempt to stop peace on earth in its tracks. It went for over two years and Richard not only “never experienced a single ‘bite’” but also had a lot of fun and skill exposing the three main instigators (No. 6, No. 4 and No. 2 including their multiple sock-puppets) plus the two list-trolls with their multiple sock-puppets (No. 5 and No. 37) as the poltroons, liars and persecutors they were by demonstrating their own internal contradictions – hanging them by their own rope, so to speak. You can read the correspondence No. 29 on List D (from 11 January 2013 onwards), including the tool tips, to give you a good summary of the end of the affair. At some point Claudiu was almost the only sensible active participant. I know from experience that “‘being’ naiveté” takes courage to start with, once you leave the safety of your familiar surrounding – it also takes daring and caring – then you focus on the thrilling aspect and soon the jitters will wither away. Then you start getting into the grove of being naïve, experience the joy and remember to appreciative the adventure, and allow the universe to live you more and more, and the confidence of the palpable benignity and benevolence of pure intent is your guide, and carries you all the way. Richard: And once embarked upon the wide and wondrous path to an actual freedom, you are not on your own: this perfection is with you all the way ... but if you waver, you are indeed doing it on your own ...’. (Richard, Actual Freedom List, Alan-b, 13 December 1999). Cheers Vineeto August 14, 2025 CHRONO: I have been able to much more easily and consistently feel good since my last post. There is this intertwining of closeness and sweetness. It’s always readily here and sometimes it’s like ‘I’ am close to this quality and “bathing” in its rays with varying degrees from feeling good to excellent. I have an increased confidence that I did not have before. Although I experience it as a choice that I have to consistently make. But what is more clear is that it is ‘I’ that is away from this. Everything that ‘I’ do takes me away from this. It’s so very clear that ‘I’ can never be here. ‘My’ very nature is that of being away from this moment. VINEETO: Hi Chrono, What an excellent report that you are able to see it so clearly – and from there to know exactly what to do. CHRONO: Now when I look at a feeling I try to see if I really want to feel that feeling. I ask myself if it feels good and the feeling may morph and shift into a different feeling to avoid facing it. ‘I’ am being seen each moment. The more I’ve done this, I see that every feeling other than feeling good sucks. And even further to that, I only genuinely like myself when I am feeling good. VINEETO: Ha, when you see – and know with certainty – “that every feeling other than feeling good sucks” then you know you have dedicated your life to being happy and harmless. And further to that you may well have opened the door to being naïve because this is what happens when you genuinely like yourself – and like your fellow human beings as a natural corollary – Richard: To be naïveté itself (i.e., naïveté embodied as a childlike persona with adult sensibilities), which is to be the closest one can to innocence whilst remaining a ‘self’ (innocence is where ‘self’ is not), one is both likeable and liking for herewith lies tenderness and/or sweetness and togetherness and/or closeness whereupon moment-to-moment experiencing is of traipsing through the world about in a state of wide-eyed wonder and amazement as if a child again (guileless, artless, ingenuous, innocuous) – yet with adult sensibilities whereby the distinction betwixt being naïve and being gullible is readily separable – simply marvelling at the sheer magnificence of this oh-so-material universe’s absoluteness and unabashedly delighting in its boundless beneficence, its limitless largesse, as being the experiencing is inherently cornucopian (due to the near-absence of agency which ensues when the controlling doer is abeyant and the naïve beer is ascendant), with a blitheness and a gaiety such that the likelihood of the magical fairy-tale-like nature of this paradisaical terraqueous globe, this bounteously verdant and azure planet, becoming ever-so-sweetly apparent, as an experiential actuality, is almost always imminent. (Richard, Abditorium, Innocence, #Naïveté). CHRONO: Relatedly, I was wondering today what it means to actually care for someone. After reading thru some articles on the AFT website it’s clear that I have never actually cared ever before. VINEETO: I can relate very well to that realisation of yours as ‘Vineeto’ had a similar experience – Richard: Hence it came to pass one fine evening that feeling-being ‘Vineeto’ realised, with a profound visceral impact, how ‘she’ had never actually cared – although ‘she’ certainly felt caring (in fact ‘she’ had a deeply - ingrained and ongoing feeling of caring about all the misery and mayhem) – and upon that realisation transforming itself into an actualisation (as per the intimacy-yearning process detailed in the ‘Direct Route Mail-Out № 05 email part-quoted at the top of this page) it activated “a caring which is as close to an actual caring as an identity can muster” and there was indeed action which was not of ‘her’ doing ... to wit: the ending of ‘her’ and all ‘her’ subterfuge and trickery (just to stay in keeping with the above wording purely for effect). (Richard, List D, Srinath2, 6 August 2016). CHRONO: To put someone before oneself or to experience compassion for them is what it has meant in the ‘real world’ to care for another. But to actually care for someone else, it’s to actually free them from the burden of ‘me’. Thus to free this body of ‘me’ is the best that I can do for them. VINEETO: It is very helpful to rule out putting “someone before oneself or to experience compassion” so as not to fall into the trap of compassion or trying to be ‘selfless’, whereas a deep near-actual-caring, which is not self-centric, is what will facilitate the powerful instinct of altruism to overcome the powerful instinct of self-survival. Richard reports about ‘his’ experience during ‘his’ virtual freedom – Richard: Now, as the identity inhabiting this flesh-and-blood body all those years ago was in an out-from-control virtual freedom for something like five months (…) I can readily report how ‘he’ was more empathetic during that period than ‘he’ ever had been in all ‘his’ 34 years of existence. So much so, in fact, that I would be inclined to characterise a near-actual caring as an acutely-empathic caring. This acutely-empathic characteristic of the near-actual caring which prevails in the out-from-control way of being is, by virtue of not being self-centred/ self-centric, universal in its scope. (Richard, List D, Srinath2, 13 August 2016). CHRONO: I can see now that to truly care even for myself that I have to first genuinely like myself (and others). Let’s see how far this aim will go! VINEETO: Yes, when you genuinely like yourself and therefore care for yourself (this body), and by extension for that body and every body with all your ‘being’, “this aim” can carry you all the way. Cheers Vineeto PS: Unless you already found it, the selected correspondence on Near-actual Caring is quite comprehensive. October 31 2025 CHRONO: Hi Vineeto, As always, I greatly appreciate your responses and participation. VINEETO: Thank you for your extensive reflections. The way you phrased the last sentence it looks as if naiveté, though being the least attractive option for ‘me’, is nevertheless the only way to achieve a more continuous feeling good? CHRONO: I phrased it that way because I unknowingly had the emotional investment in the other options such as love as a way to achieve fulfillment or continuous feeling good. It’s only through seeing its limitations through seeing the light and dark sides of it that only one path remains open so to speak. Also because I have not gone deep enough into naiveté for it to become ‘my’ path. I can see how this path even to being naiveté is different to what everyone in the world does. VINEETO: Hi Chrono, You are very welcome. I’m pleased to hear you recognized the dark side of love and no longer consider it an option “to achieve fulfillment”. Of course “this path even to being naiveté is different to what everyone in the world does” – the actual world is outside of ‘me’ and everyone in the world is busy being ‘me’. Before you contemplate ‘being naiveté’ or going “deep”, or “planning of naiveté being ‘your’ path”, it is not. It is the path of self-less inclination, hence ‘you’ won’t have much of a role to play apart from objecting. �� Why not start being naïve, in little steps. First it feels a bit uncomfortable, foolish or insecure (like a teenager first talking to a girl for instance). Then you dare extending this modus operandi a bit longer, expand into other areas of life – and you find it feels good, light, different, felicitous. You do it at your own pace, of course, don’t even think of pushing yourself, perhaps remember how you were as a kid (but now with adult sensibilities) and … enjoy it. You might find other people respond, like it, even become more friendly (naiveté is infectious). Allowing yourself to be naive is indeed different to what serious sophisticated people in the world do – but who cares. Being naïve, you like yourself and simultaneously like others. It feels good, it is harmless and it’s infectious. Appreciate your small steps, then bigger steps, in this new way of living. It gives you confidence. It is intimate and invites naïve intimacy with fellow human beings. Being naïve includes not knowing what you are going to do next, or say next, being spontaneously happy and harmless. The less you pay attention to any self-image or pride, the easier it becomes. Putting everything on a ‘it doesn’t matter’ basis allows you to be less ‘self’-oriented and more open to the adventure of what being here actually is. It’s fun. CHRONO: So I am now trying to rememorate all of the times and experiences of being naiveté in my life. I particularly enjoyed reading “A Rather Quaint Clay-Pit Tale” and the description and experience of being naiveté. VINEETO: Don’t “try”, don’t ‘work’ on it – just allow the hidden-away-during-puberty childhood naïveté to bubble up. Richard: And as ‘he’ stood there, delightedly extolling the virtues of being naiveté itself, ‘he’ enthusiastically encouraged ‘his’ rapt audience to reach down inside of themselves intuitively (a.k.a. feeling it out) going past the rather superficial emotions and/or feelings (generally in the chest area) into the deeper, more profound passions and/or feelings (generally in the solar plexus area) until they came to a place (generally about four-finger widths below the navel) where they intuitively feel they elementarily have existence as a feeling being (as in ‘me’, at the core of ‘my’ being, which is ‘being’ itself), and, having located ‘being’ itself, gently and tenderly sense out the area immediately below that (just above and/or just before and almost touching on the sex centre) where they would find themselves both likeable and liking (for here lies sincerity and/or naiveté) and here is where they can, finally, like themself (very important) no matter what, for here is the nearest a ‘self’ can get to innocence whilst remaining a ‘self’, and, moreover, here lies tenderness and/or sweetness and togetherness and/or closeness because here is where it is possible to be the key which unlocks the potency of naiveté. (Richard, A Rather Quaint Clay-Pit Tale) CHRONO: I am wondering what are your thoughts on this: VINEETO: It’s a wonderful and inspiring story; perhaps if you not use it as a serious sophisticated script but start by being sincere and naïve you’ll have more fun than trying to be naiveté right away. CHRONO: What was your experience of this as an identity? Is it something that you can just do anytime or only at a certain point? VINEETO: It only requires lots of enjoyment and appreciation, so much so that letting go of the controls is inevitable. It was a great time – naiveté fully bloomed when I was out-from-control (being naiveté and being out-from-control is in fact one and the same thing). There was no fear after I decided to pull out all the stops. There are several descriptions of this time of my life on the website, here is one – Vineeto: It happened around end of November/ beginning of December 2009. Richard showed me and Peter a short video where a young woman was filming herself having pleasuring herself with unabashed delight. It was obvious that she was entirely unselfconscious, not acting, not pretending, but simply having a great time. Hers was a genuinely naïve enjoyment and celebration of her sexuality, an unbridled and uninhibited sensuality and sensuosity. ‘Vineeto’ was impressed, and at the end of the video ‘she’ said “if she can do it I can do it”. You’ll have to remember that two weeks before Richard had impressed up ‘her’ to come out-from-control. (Richard, List D, No. 25, 6 February 2012). So ‘Peter’ and ‘Vineeto’ went to the bedroom, and with such naïve demonstration it was indeed easy to imitate and replicate the naïve unbridled enjoyment of sexuality and sensuality. That’s how ‘Vineeto’ lost ‘her’ own inhibitions. When Respondent No. 4(D) met us [Peter, Pamela, Tom, Richard and myself] on 5th December 2009, ‘Vineeto’ finally noticed the change in ‘herself’ and happily whispered to Richard “psst, I am out-from-control” – ‘Vineeto’: The other observation from this period of being out-from-control worth sharing, I was able to make when ‘No. 4(D)’ came for a visit. I remember clearly one day sitting in a circle of 5 friends, utterly relaxed despite the fact that I had never met one of them in person, and I noticed that I had no personal agenda whatsoever, no plan to stir the conversation into a particular direction, nothing to emphasize or hide, no self-centredness or favouritism, no shame, shyness, embarrassment, no power or drive – I was just being myself as I was. I sat in this group, as one of many, and my sole interest was that everyone present (including me as one of those present) enjoyed themselves/ obtained the maximum benefit from our meeting. I experienced myself as being unreservedly at ease and utterly benign and wasn’t driven to say anything unless it contributed to the overall quality of the conversation. (Direct Route, James, 16 Jan 2010). Funnily enough, I completely forgot the event which had set it all in motion and allowed me to traverse the ‘wall of fear’ without noticing what ‘I’ had done, so to speak. Obviously, my social-conditioned mind still had come to terms with the newly discovered reality. It was months later when Richard reminded me of the ‘fear-shattering’ event. It’s quite a laugh! (Actualism, Actualvineeto, Ian, 9 June 2025) * VINEETO: Yes, there is a tangible dare “to have a genuine intent to be happy and harmless”. Hence unless you genuinely enjoy being happy and harmless for its own sake you won’t care to dare leaving the ties behind that so (comfortably and uncomfortably) bind you. When pure intent is active, there are no worries of being “callous” or “uncaring”. CHRONO: I am getting a flavour of naiveté now as I’m typing and reflecting. Similar to my previous experience in the journal of allowing myself to meet people where they are (13 Oct 25). And this particular part in the above clay-pit tale quote very much sticks out and serves as a direction for me: Richard: …both likeable and liking (for here lies sincerity and/or naiveté) and here is where they can, finally, like themself (very important) no matter what… (Richard, A Rather Quaint Clay-Pit Tale) VINEETO: Indeed, when you are genuine, sincere in your aim to imitate the actual as much as possible, being naïve comes easy and with it fall away the self-deprecating feelings that have dominated your daily life. It is such a relief to finally be able to like yourself no matter what, and hence like others. CHRONO: I can see in that direction that there are no worries of being callous or uncaring as both others and myself are easily in consideration and regard. As I’m thinking on this I find that another one of my worries is something like “how can I like others when they are being ‘bad’?” And I found a ready answer as I feel myself likeable then others can also be likeable irregardless of the antics they get up to. VINEETO: Exactly. CHRONO: I find then a subsequent objection that reads like “I can be more easily hurt the more naïve that I am” but here in this place where I am already likeable, I don’t think it could be possible to be hurt. But it does highlight the belief in me of how that to be naïve is to be “unknowing” or “unaware”. VINEETO: Well, it is still possible to be hurt because you might still have unexamined issues, but that is the challenge and opportunity to clean yourself up. The main fear, as you said, is that you don’t know what will be happening – being naïve you would more likely welcome the adventure rather than fear it. CHRONO: As a follow up to that, I am realizing that it’s a very viable alternative to love. I am allowing this to “soak in”. It relates to caring in which I can only sum up currently as love is dishonest in that it does not truly regard the other (because it’s mainly about ‘me’), while naiveté does. Are you making a spreadsheet for all the pros and cons before you start living it? And who is in charge of making the assessment? ‘Me’ and ‘my’ desires and fears or pure intent? Armchair planning gets you nowhere – dare, and care to dare, and just do it. * VINEETO: I talked to Andrew about guilt recently (Actualism, Actualvineeto, Andrew2, 24 October 2025), perhaps you have read it. Additionally to the original guilt of being an instinctual ‘being’ there is the social conditioning regarding sexuality in almost all societies, because man-woman sexuality is the genesis of family and thus the very core of civilisation itself and therefore strictly regulated almost everywhere, not only via laws but also “guilt and shame”. It is possible to unravel this social conditioning when pure intent is firmly in place. As for the second aspect of the “feeling of guilt” because “you are disregarding your partner” – when you deliberate shift your focus of interest from personal sexual satisfaction only to intimacy, the whole nature of sexual congress will change in the direction of including your partner, as a fellow play-mate, in the direct (bodily) intimacy of sexual congress. CHRONO: Yes I hadn’t considered that the root of the feeling of guilt came instinctually. I will have to make this deliberate shift and start from there. VINEETO: Ah, another “I will have to”. But you can voluntarily make a shift because intimacy is such a delicious happening to explore. Actualism is not like learning or training for an exam like in the real world – if it’s not fun and being friendly with yourself, don’t even consider it. * VINEETO: Well, of course if you start with the top-most grade, so to speak, and want ‘magical sex’ right away without exploring and getting accustomed to the preceding stages of Grace’s gradation scale first, you have a good excuse for being resentful and not even start. Besides – Richard: Put succinctly, this intimity, this most intimate of intimacies, has been beyond the ken of humankind since forever! [Emphasis added]. (Richard, List D, No. 46, 7 February 2016). CHRONO: I think as far as sex goes the best I’ve had from the gradations of intimacy is “good sex”, but now I can make a deliberate aim towards experiencing the full gradations. You can probe and experiment and enjoy the whole way. Again, there is no exam to pass at the end and no medals to collect. * VINEETO: Which means it [intimity] is never talked about and hence entirely new to human history. It’s time someone puts it into practice and brings delicious intimacy into “the ken of humankind”. The more you allow yourself to be naïve the easier you have access to the near-innocent intimacy of naïveté. CHRONO: And that someone will be me! VINEETO: Marvellous. * VINEETO: Yes, there is a consciousness, the sentience of this flesh-and-blood body, naturally. It is not “its own consciousness” because you are this flesh-and-blood body, it is your own consciousness. The identity only hijacks this marvellous capacity and blights it with passions and emotions, distortions and problems. Hence the suggestion to get back to feeling good before you begin to sort out any triggers to your diminishment of enjoyment and appreciation. A flesh and blood body entirely “independent of ‘me’” operates apperceptively and is capable of great clarity. CHRONO: I have been wondering, is it possible for this awareness of being a flesh and blood body to also be there as a feeling being? Could it be a connection between ‘me’ and the actual? The reason I ask is because I do always have this inkling that I’m here this whole time all the time. VINEETO: Yes, it is possible, mainly from lingering memories of your various PCEs and moments of apperceptiveness. The “awareness of being a flesh and blood body” can peek through, especially when no good or bad feelings interfere with your enjoyment and appreciation of being here. But this does not mean that there is a “connection between ‘me’ and the actual”. Cheers Vineeto November 2 2025 KUBA: However via ‘being’ naiveté ‘I’ am inviting apperceptiveness to happen over and over, and each time ‘I’ am bleeping out for the duration of the apperceptive seeing, even if it is just a flash, and another flash etc. This last paragraph explains quite well how it plays out experientially for me. Remember, you have some experience now with trying to do ‘shortcuts’ which revealed to be rather diversions, avoidance and delays – Respondent: I have (big) issues to sort out first before I will be able to make the leap. Richard: As there is no ‘leap’ – an actual freedom is not a spiritual freedom – it would indeed appear so. Respondent: I guess there are no shortcuts. Richard: What I find telling – and this is a general observation – is just how much peoples object to being happy and harmless ... the vast majority of the correspondence in the archives is, in fact, a cutting indictment on the human condition itself. Do you realise – and this is a personal observation – you have just said, in effect, that you guess you will have to become a happy ‘being’ before you can become actually free from the human condition (as if were there a way to be thus free without having to do so you would not)? Whereas it is actually such a delight to finally be able to be happy (and harmless) ... and a relief. [Emphasis added]. (Richard, Actual Freedom List, No. 54, 27 November 2003). Richard described the range of naïveness this way – Richard: A rather quaint clay-pit tale which nonetheless depicts the range of naïveness from being sincere to becoming naïve and all the way through being naïveté itself⁽⁰¹⁾ to an actual innocence. (Richard, A Quaint Clay-Pit Tale, last tooltip). Why do you want “‘being’ naiveté” before comfortably and reliably “being sincere to becoming naïve”? Cheers Vineeto November 5 2025 VINEETO: Indeed. This altering of behaviour is what makes you feel "I’ve sold myself out". ‘Vineeto’ remembers this feeling well but gaining more autonomy and confidence by doing the actualism method eventually resulted in ‘her’ liking herself, and therefore the need to change how ‘she’ presented ‘herself’ slowly disappeared. Here is what ‘she’ wrote at the time – SONYA: I had a Halloween party this weekend and without making a conscious effort noticed when I started altering behaviour to fit in with the girls. I picked up on it immediately! It was easy to realise I didn’t need to and in fact made more sense and was more fun to interact with them as genuinely as I can. It’s fascinating to notice what I get up to when I’m aware of my tricks. The interactions were cleaner, I didn’t have an agenda to fit in. VINEETO: Hi Sonya, Isn’t it amazing, by simply noticing it you can change in the direction of being more genuine and more happy both with yourself and also with others. It’s only a habit after all and has lost its purpose – if it ever had any. And, you know a bit more about yourself. SONYA: It was a little scary initially but I remembered to still remain caring and considerate, so I don’t go the other way and turn into a bitter "unique" individual that resent and shun the ‘main’ group but of course still remain as part of another group in a “us vs them”. VINEETO: This is a delight to read – it’s normal to be a little bit scared when deliberately shedding some of your familiar persona but then you had another priority how you wanted to be – considerate and caring and … interacting with fellow human beings. That’s what I would call using your native intelligence coupled with the intent to be happy and harmless. Cheers Vineeto November 6 2025 VINEETO: Before you contemplate ‘being naiveté’ or going “deep”, or “planning of naiveté being ‘your’ “path”, it is not. It is the path of self-less inclination, hence ‘you’ won’t have much of a role to play apart from objecting. Why not start being naïve, in little steps. First it feels a bit uncomfortable, foolish or insecure (like a teenager first talking to a girl for instance). Then you dare extending this modus operandi a bit longer, expand into other areas of life – and you find it feels good, light, different, felicitous. You do it at your own pace, of course, don’t even think of pushing yourself, perhaps remember how you were as a kid (but now with adult sensibilities) and … enjoy it. You might find other people respond, like it, even become more friendly (naiveté is infectious). Allowing yourself to be naive is indeed different to what serious sophisticated people in the world do – but who cares. Being naïve, you like yourself and simultaneously like others. It feels good, it is harmless and it’s infectious. Appreciate your small steps, then bigger steps, in this new way of living. It gives you confidence. It is intimate and invites naïve intimacy with fellow human beings. Being naïve includes not knowing what you are going to do next, or say next, being spontaneously happy and harmless. The less you pay attention to any self-image or pride, the easier it becomes. Putting everything on a ‘it doesn’t matter’ basis allows you to be less ‘self’-oriented and more open to the adventure of what being here actually is. It’s fun. CHRONO: I have been thinking on what you say here. And it struck me that the peace-on-earth of actual freedom is already always existing. Peace-on-earth exists already but only when ‘I’ in my entirety am no more. Thus the path is of a self-less inclination. Perhaps I’ve undiscerningly glossed over it. I also took note of what you wrote at the end that “It’s fun”. Well, am I having fun consistently? Am I enjoying and appreciating consistently? What’s in the way? What is it I really want? VINEETO: Indeed, this is the very way the actualism method works in a nutshell. By following a self-less inclination you are having fun and vice versa, felicitous and innocuous feelings don’t provide fodder for ‘me’. CHRONO: Thus in an overall manner to having more fun consistently the thing that sticks out to me the most is what I can only describe as a persona that’s bent on being sophisticated. A sophisticate. Making things complicated. Setting up an “image” of myself. Being serious. Even the visceral manoeuvring in my thinking and feeling. I found immediate relief in this noticing because only in this way I finally don’t have to be a “someone”. Interestingly, it was one of my major qualms with work that I noticed a while back. It’s not that work itself is majorly difficult, it’s that I have to be a “someone” at work. But it’s actually enjoyable when I don’t. Being a “someone” is a serious business. And this extends to pretty much every aspect of my life. VINEETO: It’s wonderful, isn’t it. To be ‘someone’ is the modus operandi for which you have been conditioned since childhood, backed up by the instinctual imperative of survival – but is this really still necessary? As you say “it’s actually enjoyable when I don’t”. It is also possible because you can be naïve with all your adult sensibility intact. * VINEETO: Don’t “try”, don’t ‘work’ on it – just allow the hidden-away-during-puberty childhood naïveté to bubble up. CHRONO: Yes I’ve set my benchmark that if there’s a feeling of effort or “work” involved then something may be amiss. I was thinking that maybe I’m just being lazy, but then the opposite of this is to be getting to “work” on it. VINEETO: Yes, the real-world rules, morals and dogmas operate in opposites and have only two alternatives. There is a third alternative. * VINEETO: Well, it is still possible to be hurt because you might still have unexamined issues, but that is the challenge and opportunity to clean yourself up. The main fear, as you said, is that you don’t know what will be happening – being naïve you would more likely welcome the adventure rather than fear it. CHRONO: Yes it’s much more enjoyable to welcome the adventure rather than fear it. One of the things that I noticed in the PCE described prior was that I did not “know” what would happen next or even what I would say or do. It happened of its own accord and I acted in a beneficial and friendly way. And I noticed after some time that ‘my’ main way of being is to be control itself. I am always projecting into a past, present, and future. This is a way to ensure that ‘I’ exist and remain in control. This aspect of there not being control is scary to me because it feels this is the way that I can protect this body. VINEETO: Indeed, being in control is the sole function of this contingent ‘being’, ‘me’, the entity which does not exist in its own right and needs to control to prevent being exposed as such. ‘You’ need to keep working hard to justify ‘your’ existence, whereas “it’s actually enjoyable when I don’t”, when you can allow yourself to be what you are. You lessen control by progressively allowing the obstacles to enjoyment and appreciation to disappear via attentiveness and (if necessary) investigation – and thus by imitating the actual. * VINEETO: Are you making a spreadsheet for all the pros and cons before you start living it? And who is in charge of making the assessment? ‘Me’ and ‘my’ desires and fears or pure intent? Armchair planning gets you nowhere – dare, and care to dare, and just do it. CHRONO: Ha, weirdly a mental spreadsheet sounds like something that I am “supposed” to do. But if I keep it simple, I just enjoy feeling good. This unravelling of what I have been doing this whole time is helping push the envelope further. VINEETO: It makes it so much simpler, doesn’t it? * CHRONO: I have been wondering, is it possible for this awareness of being a flesh and blood body to also be there as a feeling being? Could it be a connection between ‘me’ and the actual? The reason I ask is because I do always have this inkling that I’m here this whole time all the time. VINEETO: Yes, it is possible, mainly from lingering memories of your various PCEs and moments of apperceptiveness. The “awareness of being a flesh and blood body” can peek through, especially when no good or bad feelings interfere with your enjoyment and appreciation of being here. But this does not mean that there is a “connection between ‘me’ and the actual”. CHRONO: Is this because only being naiveté can make this connection? Or that there cannot actually be a connection between ‘me’ and the actual? VINEETO: ‘I’ can never enter the actual world, hence no connection whatsoever. When ‘I’ disappear, the actual world becomes apparent, when ‘I’ reappear, the actual world is no longer apparent. But you, the flesh-and-blood body can have shorter or longer moments of apperception where you are aware that you are the flesh-and-blood body – this is the very definition of apperception, the mind’s experience of itself, unmediated by the identity. Of course, once ‘I’ re-enter the arena, ‘I’ claim the experience for myself, hence your impression that there is a connection. Richard: To be naïveté itself (i.e., naïveté embodied as a childlike persona with adult sensibilities), which is to be the closest one can to innocence whilst remaining a ‘self’ (innocence is where ‘self’ is not) … (Richard, A Quaint Clay-Pit Tale, Last Tooltip). Naiveté facilitates ‘my’ diminishment and ‘my’ intermittent disappearance, yet the word ‘connection’ does not apply. Cheers Vineeto November 8 2025 VINEETO: Ha, so much better that you started to think for yourself and experientially explore for yourself. SONYA: Yes, definitely. Of course I couldn’t grasp it before, I was just blindly trying to imitate Kuba. VINEETO: Hi Sonya, Naturally you did that, after all you had to first discover, and then question, that you did everything to stay “connected” to Kuba (see Actualism, Actualvineeto, Sonya, 3 July 2025) Now, having discovered how delightful it is to stand on your own two feet and think for yourself, you might be more easily be able to experience intimacy with the fellow human being you share your life with. * VINEETO: Perhaps not being burdened by too many “lofty thoughts” and “psychic adumbrations” in the first place gives you an advantage so you can concentrate on the “profound feelings” whenever they get in the way of enjoyment and appreciation. SONYA: Hahah, Kuba likes to joke about how all that’s going on in my head are ponies and rainbows. VINEETO: Ha, to each their own. You follow what you determine is adult sensibility and non-sophistication. Being foolish is the worst people can say about you when you play the game of naïvely playing together and being happy and harmless rather than engage is useless and harmful power-battles – so you know that you are not foolish. And the pioneer, which you are by living the third alternative, are bound not to rely on the judgement of their peers who follow the tried and failed route. (see images Actualism, Vineeto, List C, No. 4, 4.12.1998) As I wrote to Chrono the other day – Vineeto: By choosing to be naïvely happy and harmless you voluntarily withdraw from the battlefield (not as a pacifist or virtue-hunter) but as someone who prefers (i.e. values more) getting along in a beneficial way with your fellow human beings. You are playing a different game, so to speak. Or, as Richard called it – playing for fun, not for keeps. (see Actualism, Actualvineeto, Chrono2, 6 November 2025). * VINEETO: Indeed, being kind to yourself, down-to-earth and unsophisticated you can do one step at a time and with each success you become more confident that living as happy and harmless as possible is doable and fruitful – and what is more, you keep on enjoying and appreciating this moment of being alive while doing it. SONYA: Yes, this is really helpful to keep in mind. I appreciate how as a younger woman it is easier or more socially acceptable to be this way. However, I am intrigued sometimes when I get called “simple minded” because I’m happy at work or appreciating the vibrant green of my iced matcha latte. Yet, everyone benefits from me choosing to be this way. Being happy and harmless seems to not mix well with being a “mature adult”. I’m starting to see how being sophisticated is not in line with enjoy and appreciating. It definitely gives off an exclusive vibe, unattainable, separate. VINEETO: Yes, it is the old ‘us’ vs ‘them’, and you are apparently in the minority because not many people dare to be naïve. It is your choice how you want to live your life, you reap the benefits and, as you observed, others benefit too from your felicitous and innocuous infectious vibes. SONYA: Just to add, it also doesn’t mean that I am to be like an immature child either. I always liked the phrase “childlike wonder… with adult sensibilities”. VINEETO: It is indeed very helpful to keep, and develop, your “adult sensibilities” together with the “childlike wonder”. Even in the often vicious battle of survival both amongst animals and humans, it is not the strongest which survives but the ‘fittest’. Richard: The Phrase ‘Blind Nature’: As a matter of related interest: whilst blind nature is unintelligent it is not necessarily haphazard, arbitrary ... it, being cause-and-effect based, is pragmatic (as opposed to principled) in an adventitious way. The evolutionists’ phrase ‘survival of the fittest’ means those best fitted to the environment survive to propagate the species and does not necessarily mean survival of the most muscular (as it is sometimes taken to mean). And because intelligence, which is the ability to think, reflect, compare, evaluate and implement considered action for beneficial reasons, has developed in the human animal it may very well be the best-fitted of all ... especially now that blind nature’s legacy can be safely dispensed with. (Richard, Abditorium, Human Condition, #blindnature) And here is a longer explication of the same topic with listing all the various thought-processes an intelligent human can make use of – Richard:... in evolutionary terms the long, slow evolution of intelligence has its roots in the most ‘on the ball’, the most shrewd and/or sharp and/or smart and/or cunning and/or wily and/or sly, and so on, outmanoeuvring the least ‘on the ball’ – the most dumb – and there is nothing abstract about that (the term ‘survival of the fittest’ does not mean the survival of the most muscular, as is often commonly misunderstood, but means those most fitted to the environment live to pass on their genes whilst the least fitted languish and die out). And, even more prosaically, the long, slow evolution of intelligence is also the result of successfully negotiating what has been called the vicissitudes of life: not only obtaining such basic necessities as air, water, food, shelter and clothing (if the weather be inclement) in the face of fire, flood, famine, tempest, vulcanicity, pestilence, disease, and so on, but prospering whilst doing so because of tool-making, for instance, or the utilisation of fire, for another ... none of which are abstract. Intelligence is the cognitive faculty of understanding and comprehending (as in intellect and sagacity) ... which means the cerebral ability to sensibly and thus judiciously think, remember, reflect, appraise, plan, and implement considered activity for beneficial purposes (and to be able to rationally convey reasoned information to other human beings so that coherent knowledge can accumulate around the world and to the next generations). Yet there is more to intelligence than the faculty of the human brain thinking with all its understanding (intellect) and comprehension (sagacity) as, along with the self-referential nature that being conscious implies (agency, or intervening action towards an end, implies self-interest), the brain’s cognisance of being a conscious body – thus being self-conscious or self-aware – in the world of other animals, vegetation, things, and events, is an essential prerequisite for intelligence to arise ... and, again, there is nothing abstract about being aware of being conscious. Incidentally, abstract (conjectural) thought is but one of the many ways of thinking: for instance there is practical/ impractical thought; pragmatic/ imaginative thought; reasoned/ expressive thought; adventitious/ principled thought; prudential/ philosophical (or politic/ philosophic) thought; insightful/ intuitive thought; judicious/ injudicious thought; rational/ irrational thought; logical/ illogical thought; salubrious/ pathological thought, as well as illative thought (inferential, deductive, inductive thought) and reflective thought, contemplative, meditative, pensive thought) and so on. As thought is broadly categorised as being perceptive thought (sensible thought), or realistic (extrinsic) thought, and imperceptive thought (intelligible thought), or autistic (intrinsic) thought, then I guess the latter could be broadly categorised as abstract thought. (Richard, Actual Freedom List, No. 50, 3 November 2003) Enjoy your childlike wonder with adult sensibilities. Cheers Vineeto December 1 2025 ANDREW: Wow. What I am considering as I read these post that are well above my “pay grade” is just how much my naïveté was abused by the prevailing religion of my birth Situation… I remember how much detail I would go into as a teenager. I have mentioned before that by the time I was late teens, I had a working knowledge of both ancient Hebrew and koine Greek, so that I might understand the sacred texts I was brought up to revere. So there has always been an exhaustion in me. I am however very pleased to recognise this. VINEETO: Hi Andrew, While you contemplate “how much my naïveté was abused” it’s useful to remember that children’s naïveté is very closely linked to ignorance and gullibility, and this is precisely why it can and will be abused. In the now-adult mind most peoples initially have difficulty separating the one from another. Hence the sincere intent to imitate the actual (and not acting with impulsivity or licentiousness) is very important. The naïveté you want to allow now needs to be combined with felicitous and innocuous adult sensibilities (naïve but not gullible), only then can you enjoy and revel in it to the point of gay abandon. Richard: There is a marked distinction betwixt spontaneity and impetuosity (aka impulsiveness) ... acuity and/or perspicacity, in the applied form of discrimination, discernment (as in being expedient, provident, judicious, prudent) in conjunction with pragmatism, practicality, sensibility, simplicity, and so forth, gives ready access for any introspective/ creative process to take place. (Richard, Actual Freedom List, No. 103, 1 October 2005d) The key to unlock naiveté is sincerity, naiveté being “that intimate aspect of oneself that is usually kept hidden away for fear of seeming foolish (a simpleton) … it is like being a child again but with adult sensibilities (wherein one can separate out the distinction between being naïve and being gullible/ trusting).” (Richard, Actual Freedom List, No. 79, 7 June 2006). ANDREW: So, resurrecting a touch of that naïveté, I notice a recent development. It’s a calm approach to decision making. Where there is a warm type of “bored” calm. An almost concussed calm. As if I am totally conquered by whatever it is I was fighting against, and now there is a series of considerations. It’s enjoyable. There is no rush. Felt it many times recently. At the music store. VINEETO: That is excellent. You have already experienced that you don’t need to be at the ‘beck and call’ of your passions and feelings, you can keep your hands in your pockets until they subside and then consider again. You might discover and explore something similar to what Claudiu described in January this year – Claudiu: The other wondrous recent insight was in seeing how I am actually not ‘special’ in that I am essentially the same as any other feeling-being out there. In terms of what I am at my core. In other words I don’t have to maintain or hold onto or try to prop up any aspect of myself that would set me apart or above anyone else – because I am the same at core! This is something I can’t change – I can only self-immolate to remedy this situation. This was seen as an immense relief of a huge burden that I no longer have to maintain myself in all these various small ways. In other words I am free to do anything, and anyone is free to say or think or do whatever in response, and none of it matters in terms of me having to prop myself up or defend myself or do anything. Cause I already know I’m not special, there is nothing I can actually defend to change this fact! (Actualism, Actualvineeto, Claudiu4, 18 January 2025). Naïveté, whenever it pops out – because ‘you’ allow it – can be cherished and appreciated and fully enjoyed – and it is infectious too. For fun and encouragement you can check out this message (Actualism, Actualvineeto, Articles, Naiveté Virus). ANDREW: The question of actual freedom, and being someone who may feel good through developing the ability to choose it, that is very interesting. VINEETO: Indeed, and the less you try to be someone but simply enjoy being here as happily and harmlessly as possible, the more it is happening of its own accord. Enjoy your childlike wonder with adult sensibilities. Cheers Vineeto December 2 2025 ANDREW: Thanks Vineeto! Very new to me. I like this quote from Claudiu. It’s been the ongoing investigation into music. That I am not special. I may have perhaps a talent, but that is far from unique. There is an old saying, there is nothing more common than the talented but unsuccessful. Which is the key for me to continue looking into this. It has been a hugely dominant force in my life, and in my father’s life. Understanding it, gently teases something out of me. How I hold on to this “special” talent. When, is it really there? Perhaps I do have an ear for music, and so? How is that anything different from someone born with the genetics to grow to 7 feet tall? It’s not anything that ‘I’ had anything to do with at all! I have been thinking a lot about music. How so much of it, if not the vast majority of it, is derived and contrived. Not in a negative sense, in the literal sense. It’s not unique, factually. For the most part. (…) VINEETO: Hi Andrew, This is fascinating, how an insight that “I am not special” has so many ramifications to ease the pressure of what you say has been an “obsession”, and now you are more at ease, more happy and naïvely curious as to what is going to happen next. That is something to truly appreciate. ANDREW: I never questioned anything like this. It was all about being an ‘artist’, whatever that was! Which I never actually was in anyway, but the fantasy was always there. As if I just had to take it seriously for a moment, and “poof!” Instant acclaim! hehe. It’s fun to give myself the space to smile at it all. Without animosity. It’s all preference really! Some people are very found of a particular kind of music, for a certain time, and then another kind! Just as my tastes have changed. VINEETO: Yes, this is what having preferences instead of passionate urges does – you can have smile, fun, you can explore your talent (or no talent), your tastes and you can play music instead of working on it. It doesn’t really matter. Music is for fun, pleasant to the ears and well worth enjoying and appreciating for the very amusement and delight. * VINEETO: Indeed, and the less you try to be someone but simply enjoy being here as happily and harmlessly as possible, the more it is happening of its own accord. Enjoy your childlike wonder with adult sensibilities ANDREW: I didn’t read this properly. That is indeed it! The less I try an ‘be’ anything, the more interesting things are. It’s not the fun in “questioning” per se, it’s the fun in not having to “be” something at the end of the thought. As in, I can create music without a snare on the backbeat if I like, and music of any sort at all, without defining myself. Simply, is it fun? Playful? VINEETO: Ah, I am pleased you understood. Just as having preferences instead of passionate urges is a ‘self-less (or ‘self’-diminishing) inclination, so are the felicitous and innocuous feelings in contrast to the ‘good’ and ‘bad’ feelings. Have playful fun finding out even more of the benefits of this naïve approach. Cheers Vineeto
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