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Vineeto’s Correspondence with Andrew on Discuss Actualism Forum
ANDREW: Wow. What I am considering as I read these post that are well above my “pay grade” is just
how much my naïveté was abused by the prevailing religion of my birth Situation… So there has always been an exhaustion in me. I am however very pleased to recognise this. 
VINEETO: Hi Andrew, While you contemplate “how much my naïveté was abused” it’s useful to remember that children’s naïveté is very closely linked to ignorance and gullibility, and this is precisely why it can and will be abused. In the now-adult mind most peoples initially have difficulty separating the one from another. Hence the sincere intent to imitate the actual (and not acting with impulsivity or licentiousness) is very important. The naïveté you want to allow now needs to be combined with felicitous and innocuous adult sensibilities (naïve but not gullible), only then can you enjoy and revel in it to the point of gay abandon.
The key to unlock naiveté is sincerity, naiveté being “that
intimate aspect of oneself that is usually kept hidden away for fear of seeming foolish (a simpleton) … it
is like being a child again but with adult sensibilities (wherein one can separate out the distinction between
being naïve and being gullible/ trusting).”
ANDREW: So, resurrecting a touch of that naïveté, I notice a recent development. It’s a calm approach to decision making. Where there is a warm type of “bored” calm. An almost concussed calm. As if I am totally conquered by whatever it is I was fighting against, and now there is a series of considerations. It’s enjoyable. There is no rush. Felt it many times recently. At the music store. VINEETO: That is excellent. You have already experienced that you don’t need to be at the ‘beck and call’ of your passions and feelings, you can keep your hands in your pockets until they subside and then consider again. You might discover and explore something similar to what Claudiu described in January this year –
Naïveté, whenever it pops out – because ‘you’ allow it – can be cherished and
appreciated and fully enjoyed – and it is infectious too. For fun and encouragement you can check out this message ANDREW: The question of actual freedom, and being someone who
may feel good through developing the ability to choose it, that is very interesting. VINEETO: Indeed, and the less you try to be someone but simply enjoy being here as happily and harmlessly as possible, the more it is happening of its own accord. Enjoy your childlike wonder with adult sensibilities. Cheers Vineeto
ANDREW: Thanks Vineeto! Very new to me. I like this quote from Claudiu. It’s been the ongoing investigation into music. That I am not special. I may have perhaps a talent, but that is far from unique. There is an old saying, there is nothing more common than the talented but unsuccessful. Which is the key for me to continue looking into this. It has been a hugely dominant force in my life, and in my father’s life. Understanding it, gently teases something out of me. How I hold on to this “special” talent. When, is it really there? Perhaps I do have an ear for music, and so? How is that anything different from someone born with the genetics to grow to 7 feet tall? It’s not anything that ‘I’ had anything to do with at all! I have been thinking a lot about music. How so much of it, if not the vast majority of it, is derived and contrived. Not in a negative sense, in the literal sense. It’s not unique, factually. For the most part. (…) VINEETO: Hi Andrew, This is fascinating, how an insight that “I am not special” has so many ramifications to ease the pressure of what you say has been an “obsession”, and now you are more at ease, more happy and naïvely curious as to what is going to happen next. That is something to truly appreciate. ANDREW: I never questioned anything like this. It was all about being an ‘artist’, whatever that was! Which I never actually was in anyway, but the fantasy was always there. As if I just had to take it seriously for a moment, and “poof!” Instant acclaim! hehe. It’s fun to give myself the space to smile at it all. Without animosity. It’s all
preference really! Some people are very found of a particular kind of music, for a certain time, and then another
kind! Just as my tastes have changed. VINEETO: Yes, this is what having preferences instead of passionate urges does – you can have smile, fun, you can explore your talent (or no talent), your tastes and you can play music instead of working on it. It doesn’t really matter. Music is for fun, pleasant to the ears and well worth enjoying and appreciating for the very amusement and delight. * VINEETO: Indeed, and the less you try to be someone but
simply enjoy being here as happily and harmlessly as possible, the more it is happening of its own accord. ANDREW: I didn’t read this properly. That is indeed it! The
less I try an ‘be’ anything, the more interesting things are. It’s not the fun in “questioning” per
se, it’s the fun in not having to “be” something at the end of the thought. As in, I can create music
without a snare on the backbeat if I like, and music of any sort at all, without defining myself. Simply, is it fun?
Playful? VINEETO: Ah, I am pleased you understood. Just as having preferences instead of passionate urges is a ‘self-less (or ‘self’-diminishing) inclination, so are the felicitous and innocuous feelings in contrast to the ‘good’ and ‘bad’ feelings. Have playful fun finding out even more of the benefits of this naïve approach. Cheers Vineeto
ANDREW: Thanks Vineeto. The last two nights I was tail-gated aggressively by other drivers. Deliberately, I didn’t move out of the way, as that would inconvenience me. Long story short, today, on the second occasion, I had the thought; “for everything I have learnt about the human condition, personality disorders, mental illnesses etc, why am I so surprised and angry that I would encounter this behaviour in life?” (…) I pondered this in my last part of my journey. Whilst still being tailgated through my neighbourhood and feeling the rage which, if pushed may well have resulted in violence, I thought, “would I die to set that body free from the ‘entity’ which is clearly causing that behaviour?” (to be clear, at no point was I breaking the law, driving slowly or otherwise “asking for this”. Technically I was over the speed limit, but under what is classed as an offence). I remembered my two closest friends. Very large muscular guys, far bigger than average. Both capable of dominating most people if needed, but both are deeply thoughtful men. I thought of these same sized men (it’s usually men being aggressive on the freeway), men who obviously “back themselves” in a confrontation were it to come to that, and I saw what it would mean for every “body” to be free. No one would ever be afraid, and no one ever using physical size and capacity against anyone. Would I ‘self sacrifice’ to potentially set these aggressive male drivers free? Yes, I would. I can see that it was always such an obvious thing to do. VINEETO: Hi Andrew, A less radical way of proceeding – until you are ready to fully agree to self-immolation to happen – I can recommend to emotionally accept what is intellectually unacceptable in conjunction with putting everything on a preference basis –
Cheers Vineeto
ANDREW: So… Haha, I always love to open with “So”. How is it, that such innocence can be the carrier of such destruction? VINEETO: Hi Andrew, What innocence? Do you genuinely believe that babies are born innocent – especially after your
previous insight on guilt?
More information at Richard’s Selected Correspondence on Innocence Perhaps some taking advantage of the vast amount of information, freely available on the Actual Freedom Trust website, would be beneficial before you squander your time and energy on having feelings about theories and beliefs that are far from factual? ANDREW: For context, and to avoid my historical habit of being cryptic and mysterious; my otherwise cheerful, adventurous, and caring mother, has carried and passed on all the horrors of the human condition. Just as every mother and father in all of history has done. Wow. What a betrayal! Each of us, grown in the innocence of ignorance and being completely new to being alive at all,
carry on this utter insanity! VINEETO: Again, as ignorance is not innocence, there was no “betrayal” to be outraged or indignant about – “every mother and father in all of history” have been genetically endowed with instinctual passions and furnished with social conditioning and passed this on to the next generation, just as you have done with your own children. It’s worth contemplating from this angle –
Cheers Vineeto
VINEETO to Adam-H: Ha, it sounds like a terrible chore the way you put it “I have
to actually be felicitous and innocuous” – don’t make it into a moral doctrine or precept
to be obeyed else it gets corrupted into a tool to keep you miserable. ANDREW: This is what I understand to be the difference between actuality / the condition-less enjoyment of being alive, and ‘being’ as the ‘human condition’; each moment of ‘being’ is a trial, a test, a do or die ultimatum. It’s never anything but a trudging battle against the obvious inevitability of failure. VINEETO: Hi Andrew, If for you “each moment of ‘being’ is a trial”, “a trudging battle against the obvious inevitability of failure”, as it apparently was a decade ago when you wrote the memorable sentence “I gird myself for battle every morning”, isn’t it high time to locate this belief (truth) and closely examine it so that you can do something about it, i.e. abandon it for good? Nobody but you forces you to be either a warrior or a failure. When you sincerely recognize that ‘you’ are your feelings and your feelings are ‘you’, you have the choice to be a more felicitous and innocuous feeling and decline to continue being resentful. For instance, you can locate your basic resentment of being alive on this wonderful green and
azure planet and recognize, from the depth of your ‘being’ that it is a pathetic ANDREW: I woke this morning with the feeling of acute
anxiety in my chest. Later in the day it occurred to me that there was no such thing as “anxiety in my
chest”. That my heart may indeed be reacting to my jogging exercise, and my beer intake, but “terror”
was never in my actual chest. VINEETO: Oh yes, it is in your actual chest – denial is not going to solve anything. Here is an example of such a (spiritually-inspired) way of denial –
All passionate feelings, especially when experienced repeatedly and persistently, release chemicals (for instance adrenaline and cortisol) acting unfavourably on your physical body. Stress is slowly being acknowledged as being responsible for certain diseases and health problems.
In contrast –
In case you are looking for an additional convincing reason (apart from feeling bad) to be attentive to how you experience being alive and choose to be a different feeling when you do not enjoy/ appreciate being alive, then a wish to not have “the feeling of acute anxiety” with physical side-effects in your chest might give you additional motivation. Cheers Vineeto
ANDREW: The statement it “silly” not to feel good finally makes sense, beyond the obvious. I am experiencing the being no reason behind feeling bad! That really great. Hi Andrew, This is great. You may like this quote –
Cheers Vineeto
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